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    Quote Originally Posted by EffEmDoubleyou View Post
    Perhaps in the strictest sense. However, your all-or-nothing approach to religion lacks an understanding of how religion is observed in practice. There are any number of anachronistic and patently ridiculous tenets to every religion that 99% of the practitioners accept as such. There are also convenient interpretations of any religious dogma that lack even the most tenuous connection to the dogma itself. In fact, the quotes from the Quran that you yourself posted seem to be a call to terrorist violence only with the most willful and glib misinterpretation.

    Both Islamic terrorists and Fred Phelps have taken advantage of this to use their respective religious texts as Rorschach tests and make the interpretation that justifies their ideology. Simply being the most extreme does not make them the most faithful. To accept their justifications as valid and to consequently blame the religion instead of the individual would require you to make an endless array of patently ridiculous judgments. For instance, would you deport Jodie Foster because John Hinckley used an imaginary relationship with her as justification for shooting President Reagan? He twisted some facts and invented others to make a justification, just as Islamic terrorists and Fred Phelps do. In both cases the overwhelming majority of the general population is inclined to call bullshit. Why aren't you?
    Read my posts further back.

    Religions are not the same as other ideologies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kullervo View Post
    Critical issues like this require strong leadership and action rather than more experiments.
    There is nothing in this world that a song can't fix.

    Listen to me, baby, you got to understand, you're old enough to learn the makings of a man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kullervo View Post
    Yes. About time.
    So, if we get rid of the Christians and Muslims because their religions breed extremism; and we get rid of Jews while we're at it, over concerns about the Talmud; who will be left? Atheists? Native Americans who have not converted to the religions of the book?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kullervo View Post
    Logic dictates that if there are multiple different interpretations of a religion, no more than one of them can be right.
    Just as logic dictates that if there are multiple different answers to the question, "what is the best flavor of ice cream?", only one of them can be right? Both questions involve subjective interpretations and individual values.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kullervo View Post
    If more Muslims stop believing in Islam like most Christians have stopped believing in Christianity, then their behaviour may well change. However; I don't see signs that Islam is weakening, in fact the opposite seems to be the case. It is impossible to predict with any certainty what the world will be like in 600 years. But we have some control over events in our lifetime.
    Certain Christian denominations are increasing as well. In any case, Christianity has evolved over the generations to include more figurative interpretation of the Bible, and the idea that understanding and interpreting sacred texts is not just for clergy (continued existence of fundamentalists notwithstanding). Islam is likely to head in the same direction. Some contemporary Islamic scholars are trying to take it that way, and modern methods of communication may hasten the transformation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kullervo View Post
    Religions are not the same as other ideologies.
    In the hands of demagogues and despots, religions are exactly the same as other ideologies. Just witness the cult of Lenin in the Soviet Union.
    I've been called a criminal, a terrorist, and a threat to the known universe. But everything you were told is a lie. The truth is, they've taken our freedom, our home, and our future. The time has come for all humanity to take a stand...

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