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    Default There was no "Dark Ages"

    The idea that there was a "Dark Ages" in human history was invented by a historical revisionist who revered the golden age of ancient Rome. In fact, the "Dark Ages" were a time of freedom from Roman barbarianism. Perhaps it's the time of ancient Rome that should be properly called the Dark Ages of mankind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal+ View Post
    The idea that there was a "Dark Ages" in human history was invented by a historical revisionist who revered the golden age of ancient Rome. In fact, the "Dark Ages" were a time of freedom from Roman barbarianism. Perhaps it's the time of ancient Rome that should be properly called the Dark Ages of mankind.

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    How strange, modernism is now embracing the middle ages to attack antiquity. Bets ignorance wins.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    How strange, modernism is now embracing the middle ages to attack antiquity. Bets ignorance wins.
    Define "modernism."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    How strange, modernism is now embracing the middle ages to attack antiquity. Bets ignorance wins.
    Define "modernism."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal+ View Post
    Define "modernism."
    Both the epoch and the values associated with the conceit of the period labelled the enlightenment. Also the employment of that conceit to attack other eras and cultures, particularly those from earlier human history or which are associated with earlier human history in a linear progressivist framing of history.
    All for ourselves, and nothing for other people, seems, in every age of the world, to have been the vile maxim of the masters of mankind.
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    Yes, it's exaggerated, though I'd warn against going too far with the idea, even as someone who hates Rome myself. There were ups and downs across all these ages. It is a complicated picture.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    Both the epoch and the values associated with the conceit of the period labelled the enlightenment. Also the employment of that conceit to attack other eras and cultures, particularly those from earlier human history or which are associated with earlier human history in a linear progressivist framing of history.
    Thanks. Now did you read the article in the OP? No? Didn't think so.
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    Whilst a "Dark Ages" did not exist in the sense it has been understood but that does not mean that a time of reduced prosperity, trade, literacy and high civilisation did not occur.

    I have studied this subject in depth and would consider debating a few points. One point I would make is that the "Dark Ages" as a concept or idea should not be dated from 476 (end of the Western Empire) but perhaps from the Crisis of the Third Century: 235-284 AD. It was a long period of civil war, hyperinflation and foreign invasion and Europe was split in parts for a period by usurpers (see Gallic Empire) and it follows that few to no people alive at the end of the period would have remembered how things were before it. A more stable Europe would be one not reliant on Rome for its defence - localised trade and produce would be more reliable than long distance trade organised by centralised bureaucracy who cannot stop rebels, violent vagrants and pretenders to the imperial throne. In time the region would become more agrarian with information and resource trade being suffocated.

    In other words, the barbarians took over long-ruined regions and eventually turned them into strongholds and powerhouses. They progressed upon a more practical than theoretical route for many centuries because you can improve architecture and metallurgy if you live in a village but not study formal logic or philosophy. That was for the minority to study (and study they did.) It's amazing they managed to achieve what they did but the Europeans have always been a strong people in their own right.

    The downside of the whole thing of course was that had the Romans resisted barbarian invasion then they would now of had an economic incentive to invade Germany again. During previous centuries the place was too sparsely populated to ever justify occupation but by the 5th century Germany were developing more complex settlements and the population was growing and had Rome conquered it then they would have had immediate slaves and settlements to generate immediate income. The untapped resources of the region could have helped Rome recover its glory days somewhat.

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