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  1. #41
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    With a college education being required for most jobs, going to college has moved from a luxury that gets you ahead to a basic requirement. This of course means that the cost of a college education needs to be drastically cut so that it doesn't take more than a few years to pay back any debts. This is especially important as many fields/jobs that require a college education don't pay that well. Just like we need more jobs, we need more valid and acceptable college programs that don't cost much. A college loan should be one that can be repaid within 5-10 years of graduation.

    Lower college costs. Lower college costs. Lower college costs.

    This should work especially well as for most jobs people just care about the applicant having a college degree, not necessarily having a college degree from a top university (though some companies still do this).

    Also, college education needs to become more relevant to the times, and, even better, forward looking to the world 4 years after the respective class graduates. This should be an easy thing to balance with having each student learn the fundamentals and the basics. Easy because the current/future state of things can be introduced into the curriculum by having every example, or group project, or homework assignment be relevant to the times, and be used as a way to show how the fundamentals being learned matter and to show how they can be used.

    Like, learning about graphs and trees, and writing code that's maintainable are fundamental things in a Computer Science curriculum, and they can be made relevant with group projects or homework assignments that involve the implementation of some popular or currently relevant code. For example, write a blogging platform that scales on AWS to n users, versus designing some stupid pointless theoretical game. That is, theory should be learned, and it's practicality emphasized through all examples, group assignments, and homework assignments.

  2. #42
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    I agree. What the fuck is wrong with vocational training, and why does it have this stigma of being "for retards"? Why is it better for someone to acquire a hyper-specialized bachleor's they are are never going to use, than for someone to acquire something they will use? And, then, after that, they will continue with a master's and a doctorate hat gets even more specialized and useless, because adulthood is a bummer, man, and should be put off as long as possible.

    Stupid bullshit. Maybe it worked for the baby-boomers, but it doesn't seem to be working out that well for Generation Y. I probably still would have gone to college, but it would have been better if there weren't people who didn't want to go there, and were only there because they felt that they were "supposed to" because society expects that of them. But why?

    What's so bad about acquiring useful skills? Lots of people would rather do hands on stuff, and guess what? We need people to do that stuff, so why discourage them by implying it's for retards?
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  3. #43
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    A better question, at least a more revealing one, would perhaps be to ask whether you think that class mobility or class statis is more important a component of socially beneficient social stratification. It's a foundation and feeder myth, class mobility, particularly to fiscal libertarians, but what of its reality?
    All for ourselves, and nothing for other people, seems, in every age of the world, to have been the vile maxim of the masters of mankind.
    Chapter IV, p. 448. - Adam Smith, Book 3, The Wealth of Nations

    whether or not you credit psychoanalysis itself, the fact remains that we all must, to the greatest extent possible, understand one another's minds as our own; the very survival of humanity has always depended on it. - Open Culture

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