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    I can almost appreciate actual colonialists more, since they fully admitted to what they were doing and were unapologetic. Nor did they really think they had "rights". Rights are always won or taken. Rights are just ideas, not real in and of themselves. It's another word for strength. Or rather, a way to deflect from it. To sterilize it.

    The difference between natives is that they got their asses kicked. Not that they're indigenous necessarily. And in the current age, people kind of feel like shit about it, saying "Ease up on the poor bastards. We've done enough."

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    To conquer anything, there has to be sense of entitlement (or an inherent "right" to do so). I honestly don't give a crap about white guilt/privilege/oppression but to say that the colonists didn't see it as their "right" to conquer the land (in order to save the savages from themselves... which was the prevalent thinking back then) blows my mind.

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    Native of America and Native American are two different logical categories.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glycerine View Post
    To conquer anything, there has to be sense of entitlement (or an inherent "right" to do so). I honestly don't give a crap about white guilt/privilege/oppression but to say that the colonists didn't see it as their "right" to conquer the land (in order to save the savages from themselves... which was the prevalent thinking back then) blows my mind.
    Are you talking to me? Because I'm just saying they knew and admitted to what was happening. It's more difficult to have a dialogue when someone doesn't even identify the problems.

    Religious groups specifically cared about saving "savages from themselves", but in North America, these were smaller missionary groups - usually families who braved the wilds. Government didn't give a shit about saving souls. In some cases, the government undid the work of these missionaries, like with the whole block of Commanche, Seminole, etc tribes that inhabited the east coast with European-Americans for some time. They actually sold themselves out in a way, and did everything they could to integrate with caucasians. They became Christians, spoke English, dressed the same.. and then they were disposessed, forced to move west in the infamous "trail of tears". It didn't matter how much "salvation" was happening. They were an obstacle to greed and ambition.

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    I am America

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    Quote Originally Posted by LevelZeroHero View Post
    No, I do not 1/16 Navajo or something ridiculous like that. Or maybe I do, I don't know. That's besides the point... I was born in America, so I am a native American, am I not?

    You could say, well, your ancestors are from Europe, so you are not the same... yet even the tribes which existed in North America before colonialism moved from somewhere else. So really, I am just a native American from a different era, am I not?

    You could say, well, you do not follow any special culture or traditions, so you are not the same... yet the people who live on the reservation today do not either. In fact, some exploit government support for gambling and drug habits... in other words, tradition is not a pre-requisite, only blood.

    I am no less a native American than some guy who was born the same year as me on a reservation in the United States, and we should have equal treatment, should we not?



    What do you say about what rights modern people receive have based on events such as one country taking over another, slavery, etc. which happened centuries ago and at the time was acceptable practice? Should it spill over to later generations, who experience no perceivable difference (and often times a benefit) of the original event?
    It seems to me, having read all your posts, that you are jealous of underprivileged people in general.
    It is very common, your resentment. Since the end of slavery, white trash has been jealous of the descendants of slaves. You are jealous in addition of people who live in miserable conditions in the reservations. You want to rob them of the only thing they have left, their status and title.

    When was the last time ethnic cleansing occured in the US? It occurs every day. It is the work of the border patrols, in Texas, New Mexico, Arizona and California.

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    So I'm guessing that you haven't really read up much on where the actual money from the casinos goes, have you?

    hint: it's not to the people who actually live on the reservations!

    So the people who were here for thousands and thousands of years before some other people arrived and took away their land and forced them to live in the less favorable parts of the country are someone to be jealous of now? I had a couple of ancestors who married the white man in order to stay on the land that they loved and they were called sluts for it... choices? To be a slut or to walk all of the way to Oklahoma on foot... let me repeat that... move to Oklahoma *shudders*

    Get over yourself, you're American, born in the US. Good for you. Native American, however, is an ethnicity... there's a difference which I thought you would have known there
    “The phrase 'Someone ought to do something' was not, by itself, a helpful one. People who used it never added the rider 'and that someone is me'.” - Terry Pratchett

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    God damn nativists want control of the five points!

    Who'll get the reference? :-D
    All for ourselves, and nothing for other people, seems, in every age of the world, to have been the vile maxim of the masters of mankind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by whatever View Post
    So I'm guessing that you haven't really read up much on where the actual money from the casinos goes, have you?

    hint: it's not to the people who actually live on the reservations!

    So the people who were here for thousands and thousands of years before some other people arrived and took away their land and forced them to live in the less favorable parts of the country are someone to be jealous of now? I had a couple of ancestors who married the white man in order to stay on the land that they loved and they were called sluts for it... choices? To be a slut or to walk all of the way to Oklahoma on foot... let me repeat that... move to Oklahoma *shudders*

    Get over yourself, you're American, born in the US. Good for you. Native American, however, is an ethnicity... there's a difference which I thought you would have known there
    Is it not indigenous or something? I know they dont like being called injuns and I thought America was an invention of the ghost faces too?

    Anyway, seems like some to hell or connaught idea you're talking about
    All for ourselves, and nothing for other people, seems, in every age of the world, to have been the vile maxim of the masters of mankind.
    Chapter IV, p. 448. - Adam Smith, Book 3, The Wealth of Nations

    whether or not you credit psychoanalysis itself, the fact remains that we all must, to the greatest extent possible, understand one another's minds as our own; the very survival of humanity has always depended on it. - Open Culture

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    My grandmother's 50% Blackfoot.. and some fraction Algonquian.


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