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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal+ View Post
    You don't live in the US anyway.
    Oh right OK then.
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    I've been reading the list of states petitioning and giggling at exactly how FUCKED some of the states would be without the rest of the country on a global scale... I mean, how easy would it be to invade North Dakota if it was an independent nation? it only has a little over half a million people!

    not to mention if you look at how much federal funding some of these states receive... they'd be like trust fund kids cut off... (I had to investigate a few things after seeing an article on it at lunch yesterday...)

    basically it seems like they're trying to make a point, but I'm really not buying the idea that anything can be taken seriously... there's always crazies out there
    What point are they trying to make?

    I'd be in favour of mouthy secessionists being cut off and left unassisted you know, whether its the US or anywhere else, I really do think that seperatists should be permitted to realise their seperation but they deal with the consequences and be offered absolutely no relief.
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    Quote Originally Posted by whatever View Post
    hmmm... wonder whether anyone thought through this logically? I mean, how powerful would most states be on the global level if they were independent entities? there would be very little ability to threaten to nuke ANYONE then or anything else fun... stupid idea... some people just want attention, and as usual the news is quite happy to give it to them
    It can only be a symbolic effort. That's more rational than someone comparing this petition movement to the Oklahoma bombing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal+ View Post
    It can only be a symbolic effort. That's more rational than someone comparing this petition movement to the Oklahoma bombing.
    of course it's symbolic probably for most of them... there will be a couple of your obvious anti-everything fuckwads who want to live in cabins in the wilderness and eschew all modern comforts... sort of conservative anarcho-primitivists or something... who are serious, but most people realize it's a terrible idea

    also, melodramatic comparisons just make the other side look bad as well

    as a country club republican friend and I once discussed, both of us are embarrassed of elements of our own ideologies for making EVERYONE look bad

    and @Lark... the normal melodrama of "the people" being horrified at being controlled by "the socialist" in office... you know, the average idiots who need to find a life
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    Everyone please note that a huge percentage of the signatures on the petitions are NOT EVEN FROM RESIDENTS of their respective states.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    What point are they trying to make?

    I'd be in favour of mouthy secessionists being cut off and left unassisted you know, whether its the US or anywhere else, I really do think that seperatists should be permitted to realise their seperation but they deal with the consequences and be offered absolutely no relief.
    Which would be kind of entertaining if it wouldn't entail their innocent children getting dragged into the mess.

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    just some idiots trying to make waves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skylights View Post
    Everyone please note that a huge percentage of the signatures on the petitions are NOT EVEN FROM RESIDENTS of their respective states.



    Which would be kind of entertaining if it wouldn't entail their innocent children getting dragged into the mess.
    I agree but at the same time there are people who will not be rescued no matter how motivated to rescue other people are, all you can do is permit them to get their way, knowing how it will end and then focus their minds on the consequences they will experience or are experiencing following their freely taken decisions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Again, the actual States are not formally asking in terms of their legislative bodies, it's just a pool of a few losers (percentage-wise) of the last election who happen to have representatives in each state. Which, in a country of 325 million people where about 60 million actively lost, some of whom are experiencing surprise and intense emotional responses, isn't that surprising.
    It is all a big joke about now.

    I'm just laughing at the people making the petitions. Some of them must be making them as a joke to the more serious ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whatever View Post
    hmmm... wonder whether anyone thought through this logically? I mean, how powerful would most states be on the global level if they were independent entities? there would be very little ability to threaten to nuke ANYONE then or anything else fun... stupid idea... some people just want attention, and as usual the news is quite happy to give it to them
    Yeah, exactly. These people haven't really thought through all the ramifications and how various parts of their lives would change -- they just think life would continue as it was except they'd just be their own country. There's a lot of things they would no longer have access to, and they'd be trapped within their own borders for awhile until some kind of agreement could be worked out. That's why it's a big joke.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rail Tracer View Post
    It is all a big joke about now.

    I'm just laughing at the people making the petitions. Some of them must be making them as a joke to the more serious ones.
    I think I saw that Austin was creating a petition to secede from Texas so as to stay in the USA when Texas left. (or something to that effect.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal+ View Post
    Just as I thought. Liberal left-wing violence is "good," while right-wing non-violent petitioning is "bad."
    Well I live in the U.S. and find your comparison bizarre. What left-wing violence are you talking about? The peaceful protests using the hand-holding techniques used by Martin Luther King Jr. to clearly communicate "peaceful protest" that were met with high grade pepper spray by the police? Is that the sort of thing you are talking about in comparison with petitions for succession from the Union hearkening back to the Civil War? Should these peaceful Right-wing protesters also be met with pepper spray even though they are not using well established signals for peace?

    Fuck it.

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