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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Kross View Post
    "Scandinavian liberal paradise" I suppose.

    I'd like to see some descriptions, though. For example, does democratic socialists mean socialism + democracy, or is a Social Democracy? And if the latter, how "social" is it? I mean America is technically a Social Democracy but a pretty weak and unappealling version (to me).
    i think usa is on the other side of the economic freedom axis than what the socialist + democracy is. political freedom thing really seems more of an illusion with little sticks thrown to public, so that they would behave. its not totally absent, but it seems to be(like pretty much everything else in the country) quite strongly contrasted to its opposite. for example the two party system looks to me more like a dictatorship on which people can choose one party dictating, but in the core its just all the same capitalist bullshit, where the real leaders are the companies and politicians are just the puppets to make it look like it wasnt the dictatorship of the money(and this issue ties to the economic freedom). but then again on some issues there is a lot of political freedom.

    and i do agree with the social democracy of the usa being more of a joke. i dont think social democracy and capitalism can really co-exist together properly. social democracy requires the government controlling the markets in quite strict ways, since companies that run the markets want money and stock brokers doesent really care about people. now when the government takes the liberal side to economic freedom, it is hindering its ability to execute social democracy properly and leads to people losing their homes, governments inability to take care of its citizens(due to low tax rates for big companies, that has to be in order for them to freely roam the markets and develop) etc etc.
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    Here's my current nation, which I created just a few days ago:

    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Kross View Post
    ]I'd like to see some descriptions, though.
    Here's the chart again for reference:

    Category: Anarchy
    Overview: No state actually exists.
    In-game description: Citizens live in a state of perpetual fear, as a complete breakdown of social order has led to the rise of order through biker gangs.
    Real Life Equivalent: Anarchism

    Category: Authoritarian Democracy
    Overview: Citizens have little freedom except some say in the government.
    In-game description: Citizens are prohibited from doing almost everything except voting, which they do timidly and conservatively.
    Real Life Equivalent: Semi-Populism

    Category: Benevolent Dictatorship
    Overview: A dictatorship ruled by someone who pays no attention to the people and allows them to do whatever they want, except challenge the government.
    In-game description: Citizens enjoy great individual freedoms in everything except elections, which, where they exist at all, are populist shams for a dictatorship government that has no intention of ever giving up power.
    Real Life Equivalent: Feudalism

    Category: Capitalist Paradise
    Overview: No restrictions whatsoever are placed on trade; civil rights and political rights are not repressed but take a back seat to the economy.
    In-game description: Citizens are either ruled by a sleek, efficient government or a conglomerate of multinational corporations; it's difficult to tell which.
    Real Life Equivalent: Capitalism

    Category: Capitalizt
    Overview: It's all about business. Civil rights are generous.
    In-game description: Citizens enjoy some of the most opulent lifestyles in the region, unless they are unemployed or working-class, in which case they are variously starving to death or crippled by easily preventable diseases.
    Real Life Equivalent: Anarcho-capitalism

    Category: Civil Rights Lovefest
    Overview: Libertarian rule, with less emphasis on the economy and more on civil and political rights.
    In-game description: Citizens hold their civil and political rights very dear, although the wealthy and those in business tend to be viewed with suspicion.
    Real Life Equivalent: Anarcho-socialism

    Category: Compulsory Consumerist State
    Overview: Like Capitalist Paradise, except that the government does not allow dissent
    In-game description: Citizens are rabid consumers, partly through choice and partly because the government tells them to and dissenters tend to vanish from their homes at night.
    Real Life Equivalent: Corporatism

    Category: Conservative Democracy
    Overview: People are free to vote, and usually use it to outlaw civil rights.
    In-game description: Citizens are known throughout the region for their efficiency and work ethic, as well as their general suspicion of leisure.
    Real Life Equivalent: Religious democracy

    Category: Corporate Bordello
    Overview: Free market, free elections, not-so-free merchandise. Civil rights are moderate; political rights are generous.
    In-game description: Citizens are effectively ruled by a group of massive corporations, who run for political office and provide their well-off citizens with world-class goods and services. Their poorer citizens, however, are mostly starving to death while being urged to go out and get real jobs. The populace has reasonably extensive civil rights, although these are mostly aimed at allowing them to buy whatever they like.
    Real Life Equivalent: Capitalist democracy

    Category: Corporate Police State
    Overview: The government = big businesses. Individuals have few rights and have to buy from the top corporations.
    In-game description: Citizens are ruled with an iron fist by the corrupt, dictatorship government, which oppresses anyone who isn't on the board of a Fortune 500 company. Large corporations tend to be above the law, and use their financial clout to gain ever-increasing government benefits at the expense of the poor and unemployed.
    Real Life Equivalent: Authoritarian corporatism

    Category: Corrupt Dictatorship
    Overview: A state in which the government has lowered political and economic rights and adopted a moderate civil rights policy.
    In-game description: Citizens are ruled with an iron fist by the dictatorship government, which ensures that no-one outside the party gets too rich. In their personal lives, however, citizens are relatively unoppressed; it remains to be seen whether this is because the government genuinely cares about its people, or if it hasn't gotten around to stamping out civil rights yet.
    Real Life Equivalent: Authoritarian communism

    Category: Democratic Socialists
    Overview: Political Freedoms in this state would be regarded as average, while the government is omnipresent and has much say in the economy, with citizens having few economic rights.
    In-game description: Citizens are fiercely patriotic and enjoy great social equality; they tend to view other, more capitalist countries as somewhat immoral and corrupt.
    Real Life Equivalent: Socialism

    Category: Father Knows Best State
    Overview: The government allows moderate freedoms, but has the final say (like a parent).
    In-game description: Citizens are ruled by a mostly-benevolent dictator, who grants the populace the freedom to live their own lives but watches carefully for anyone to slip up.
    Real Life Equivalent: Monarchy

    Category: Free-Market Paradise
    Overview: People are free to vote and make money but have few civil rights.
    In-game description: Citizens enjoy frequent elections, which are uniformly corrupted by big-spending corporations buying politicians who best suit their interests.
    Real Life Equivalent: Right-wing democracy

    Category: Inoffensive Centrist Democracy
    Overview: Where the people have a good mix of political and civil rights as well as security. Obviously most centrist of the National Assembly Categories as well as the most common.
    In-game description: Citizens have some civil rights, but not too many, enjoy the freedom to spend their money however they like, to a point, and take part in free and open elections, although not too often.
    Real Life Equivalent: Republic

    Category: Iron Fist Consumerists
    Overview: This is an oppressive state that focuses on the economy. Supply and Demand are the two commandments.
    In-game description: Citizens are kept under strict control by the oppressive government, which measures its success by the nation's GDP and refers to individual citizens as "human resources."
    Real Life Equivalent: Fascism

    Category: Iron Fist Socialists
    Overview: The state is omnipresent, and will provide everything for its people except political freedom.
    In-game description: Citizens are ruled with an iron fist by the socialist government, which grants its people the freedom to do whatever they like so long as it doesn't involve getting richer than anybody else or challenging the government.
    Real Life Equivalent: Communist dictatorship

    Category: Left-Leaning College State
    Overview: What would happen if college students ruled the world. Civil rights are the main priority, followed by political rights.
    In-game description: Citizens enjoy extensive civil freedoms, particularly in social issues, while business tends to be more regulated.
    Real Life Equivalent: Liberalism

    Category: Left-wing Utopia
    Overview: The democratic government grants broad civil rights but keeps a tight leash on business.
    In-game description: Citizens are free to do what they want with their own bodies, and vote for whoever they like in elections; if they go into business, however, they are regulated to within an inch of their lives.
    Real Life Equivalent: Egalitarian democracy

    Category: Liberal Democratic Socialists
    Overview: There is a centralized economy, but it is more democratic than Democratic Socialists.
    In-game description: Citizens love a good election, and the government gives them plenty of them. Universities tend to be full of students debating the merits of various civil and political rights, while businesses are tightly regulated and the wealthy viewed with suspicion.
    Real Life Equivalent: Socialist democracy

    Category: Libertarian Police State
    Overview: The state does nothing to impede on your private life, yet will require you to register everything down to your sneakers with a bureau of some sort.
    In-game description: Citizens are proud of their wide-ranging civil freedoms, and those who aren't tend to be dragged off the streets by men in dark suits and hustled into cars with tinted windows.
    Real Life Equivalent: Benevolent monarchy

    Category: Moralistic Democracy
    Overview: The people have a say in the government, but choose to ban almost everything.
    In-game description: Citizens are highly moralistic and fiercely conservative, in the sense that they tend to believe most things should be outlawed. People who have good jobs and work quietly at them are lauded; others are viewed with suspicion.
    Real Life Equivalent: Theocracy

    Category: New York Times Democracy
    Overview: Liberal democracy, with elections heavily influenced by the media.
    In-game description: Citizens enjoy a sensible mix of personal and economic freedoms, while the political process is open and the people's right to vote held sacrosanct.
    Real Life Equivalent: Democracy

    Category: Psychotic Dictatorship
    Overview: Corrupt, authoritarian state where everyone is considered the leader's toy.
    In-game description: Citizens are ruled without fear or favor by a psychotic dictator, who outlaws just about everything and refers to the populace as "my little playthings."
    Real Life Equivalent: Dictatorship

    Category: Right-wing Utopia
    Overview: A conservative state where little change is desired or put into action. Religion will usually play the role of the media.
    In-game description: Citizens are free to succeed or fail in life on their own merits; the successful tend to enjoy an opulent (but moralistic) lifestyle, while the failures can be seen crowding out most jails.
    Real Life Equivalent: Right-wing republic

    Category: Scandinavian Liberal Paradise
    Overview: High taxes, tons of civil freedom, but a weak economy.
    In-game description: Citizens enjoy extensive civil rights and enjoy a level of social equality free from the usual accompanying government corruption.
    Real Life Equivalent: Egalitarianism

    Category: Tyranny by Majority
    Overview: Pure democracy without minority rights.
    In-game description: Citizens enjoy great social freedoms and frequent elections, where the majority of the populace regularly votes to increase its benefits at the expense of various hapless minorities.
    Real Life Equivalent: Populism

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