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    So what they are saying is that we are giving benefits to people who make too much money?

    I found figures on poverty line by family size according to the census bureau. Do you know where I can find the same figures for what constitues 'middle class' according to the author?
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    Generally anything above 130% of the federally defined poverty level (or 200% of that level for disabled folks).

    Which according to the study and laid out in this chart:



    Would save us 167.8 billion per annum.

    That ain't chump change.

    That is also the least dramatic cut in services postulated.
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    I guess the debate is settled then.
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    Sorry, hadn't seen this til just now.

    You know none of the communists and socialists on this site will actually read that piece, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    Sorry, hadn't seen this til just now.

    You know none of the communists and socialists on this site will actually read that piece, right?
    I'm patient.
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    Feel free to bring your facts and figures to bear on this issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    I'm patient.
    That's good. I'd hate to think that you were holding your breath.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SD45T-2 View Post
    That's good. I'd hate to think that you were holding your breath.
    I learned to stop doing that years ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cafe View Post
    So what they are saying is that we are giving benefits to people who make too much money?
    That exactly what it's saying.

    I was hoping some defenders of the current welfare state would at least give an attempt to refute the assertions in the article, but that would require them to read the article, something that's looking like more and more of a pipe dream every minute.

    It's funny that people on a site like this, where many day in and day out, claim a level of academic rigor that would require facts, figures and unemotional appeals logic, seem to clam up when actually presented with a legitimate argument.
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    Yeah, they weren't exactly chompin at the bit to figure out what happened in Benghazi, either...

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