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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    I'm basing this on classical distinctions. Character is often involves one's sense of virtue, personality is more about innate qualities. Integrity for example is a matter of character; charisma is a matter of personality. They certainly do overlap at times, but that's not the same to say they're the same.
    Is this like the difference between the four humours and mbti
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    Is this like the difference between the four humours and mbti
    I don't think so, isn't the four humours merely another system of personality typing - like the four tempraments?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    I don't think so, isn't the four humours merely another system of personality typing - like the four tempraments?
    Yeah, it probably is, I was thinking for a moment that it was a juxapositioning of ancient and modern that was being talked about, it is more than simply applying character as a synoym for integrity or trustworthiness?
    All for ourselves, and nothing for other people, seems, in every age of the world, to have been the vile maxim of the masters of mankind.
    Chapter IV, p. 448. - Adam Smith, Book 3, The Wealth of Nations

    whether or not you credit psychoanalysis itself, the fact remains that we all must, to the greatest extent possible, understand one another's minds as our own; the very survival of humanity has always depended on it. - Open Culture

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    Yeah, it probably is, I was thinking for a moment that it was a juxapositioning of ancient and modern that was being talked about, it is more than simply applying character as a synoym for integrity or trustworthiness?
    A better distinction would be between the four humours and the four cardinal virtues. I think that helps establish the distinction.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardinal_virtues

    And it should be obvious how ^^^those virtues relate to issues of leadership.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rail Tracer View Post
    That's the idea. Policy is easier to see through in such a candidate as Ron Paul, which does not translate to whether he is likeable or not. It just means that he has thrown most of the policies he is most likely for at you and you can take it or leave it.

    In candidates like Romney? Not as much until you get into the juicy bits like the 47% and the $2 trillion added military expenditure that he wants to put into place if he get into office.

    In such scenarios with mine when it comes to the GOP, a comparison would be something like this:
    Romney and Paul Ryan? So-so. Their policies? Not likeable.
    Ron Paul? Slightly Better. His policies? Half and Half.
    Yes. I would vote for Paul for the exact reasons you give. I know where he stands and at least there would be no surprises, even if I don't agree with 100% of his policies. They make sense to me and I don't feel like Romney is able to give me clear boundaries where he stands (moderate? Playing to ultra-conservative base for election results?). Obama, I already know what he's about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beefeater View Post
    *sigh*
    this is the problem with western society that we care little for virtue and only for utilitarian results. In america we used to elect people solely on their character and reputation. we were better off for it.
    Hehe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus View Post
    Hehe.
    omg you caught me!

    I actually almost added "ironically" at the beginning of the last sentence, but I made a split second decision not to do that. Not sure why. I suppose I assumed people would read it as an observation and not a complete justication. I assumed wrong.
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