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    Quote Originally Posted by Beefeater View Post
    I'm a Kirk fan, though I can tolerate libertarians better than he could.
    I actually like that about Kirk, although he wrote a book on the topic of employment or maybe economics which amounted to the same thing as libertarianism so.
    All for ourselves, and nothing for other people, seems, in every age of the world, to have been the vile maxim of the masters of mankind.
    Chapter IV, p. 448. - Adam Smith, Book 3, The Wealth of Nations

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus View Post
    Moral realism and evolution denial. This is really just religion without its proper name, right?
    Kirk was a hardline Christian and probably wouldnt have taken exception to that labelling.
    All for ourselves, and nothing for other people, seems, in every age of the world, to have been the vile maxim of the masters of mankind.
    Chapter IV, p. 448. - Adam Smith, Book 3, The Wealth of Nations

    whether or not you credit psychoanalysis itself, the fact remains that we all must, to the greatest extent possible, understand one another's minds as our own; the very survival of humanity has always depended on it. - Open Culture

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    Those tribes in the north who return from the dead are meant to be the libertarians of the piece.
    All for ourselves, and nothing for other people, seems, in every age of the world, to have been the vile maxim of the masters of mankind.
    Chapter IV, p. 448. - Adam Smith, Book 3, The Wealth of Nations

    whether or not you credit psychoanalysis itself, the fact remains that we all must, to the greatest extent possible, understand one another's minds as our own; the very survival of humanity has always depended on it. - Open Culture

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    Its really very good, although it reminds me of another writer, the one which said that absolute power corrupts absolutely.
    That would be Lord Acton.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    That would be Lord Acton.
    Yes it would, worlds apart from todays "conservatives".

    Why havent you posted in this thread Peguy? I think there's a lot you could contribute.
    All for ourselves, and nothing for other people, seems, in every age of the world, to have been the vile maxim of the masters of mankind.
    Chapter IV, p. 448. - Adam Smith, Book 3, The Wealth of Nations

    whether or not you credit psychoanalysis itself, the fact remains that we all must, to the greatest extent possible, understand one another's minds as our own; the very survival of humanity has always depended on it. - Open Culture

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    Yes it would, worlds apart from todays "conservatives".
    Well Lord Acton was a classical liberal, so go figure.

    Why havent you posted in this thread Peguy? I think there's a lot you could contribute.
    Knowing the dynamics of this forum as much as I do, I think it's best if I just sit this one out. Besides, who reads my posts anyways?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    Well Lord Acton was a classical liberal, so go figure.


    Knowing the dynamics of this forum as much as I do, I think it's best if I just sit this one out. Besides, who reads my posts anyways?
    He never was?! Really?! I only know him from secondary sources so.

    I do anyway Peguy, its a shame that they are rarer and rarer these days, although I know what you mean. I watched the rest of those vids on youtube dealing with minoritarianism and the new class, not in the dijilas (spelling) sense, didnt find the thread to post in it again though.

    At the moment I'm a bit of a socialist trip again, at least that is what I've been spending my time reading, although its all very old material, it assumes a great deal which has been subsequentally lost in terms of culture and character I find.
    All for ourselves, and nothing for other people, seems, in every age of the world, to have been the vile maxim of the masters of mankind.
    Chapter IV, p. 448. - Adam Smith, Book 3, The Wealth of Nations

    whether or not you credit psychoanalysis itself, the fact remains that we all must, to the greatest extent possible, understand one another's minds as our own; the very survival of humanity has always depended on it. - Open Culture

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    Well Lord Acton was a classical liberal, so go figure.


    Knowing the dynamics of this forum as much as I do, I think it's best if I just sit this one out. Besides, who reads my posts anyways?
    He never was?! Really?! I only know him from secondary sources so.

    I do anyway Peguy, its a shame that they are rarer and rarer these days, although I know what you mean. I watched the rest of those vids on youtube dealing with minoritarianism and the new class, not in the dijilas (spelling) sense, didnt find the thread to post in it again though.

    At the moment I'm a bit of a socialist trip again, at least that is what I've been spending my time reading, although its all very old material, it assumes a great deal which has been subsequentally lost in terms of culture and character I find.
    All for ourselves, and nothing for other people, seems, in every age of the world, to have been the vile maxim of the masters of mankind.
    Chapter IV, p. 448. - Adam Smith, Book 3, The Wealth of Nations

    whether or not you credit psychoanalysis itself, the fact remains that we all must, to the greatest extent possible, understand one another's minds as our own; the very survival of humanity has always depended on it. - Open Culture

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    I actually like that about Kirk, although he wrote a book on the topic of employment or maybe economics which amounted to the same thing as libertarianism so.
    Without reading too much of Kirk on this issue I think it's because they annoyed him on an academic and philosophical level. I'm more politically minded so I see their usefulness in pushing forward individual policies we agree on. Though it's hard to carry on a political conversation with a libertarian without it getting to a philosophical area I'm not comfortable with. Even Rand Paul makes remarks at times that make me cringe and he's my second favorite senator.

    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    Knowing the dynamics of this forum as much as I do, I think it's best if I just sit this one out. Besides, who reads my posts anyways?
    I do. I second Lark's motion that you contribute more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    I actually like that about Kirk, although he wrote a book on the topic of employment or maybe economics which amounted to the same thing as libertarianism so.
    Without reading too much of Kirk on this issue I think it's because they annoyed him on an academic and philosophical level. I'm more politically minded so I see their usefulness in pushing forward individual policies we agree on. Though it's hard to carry on a political conversation with a libertarian without it getting to a philosophical area I'm not comfortable with. Even Rand Paul makes remarks at times that make me cringe and he's my second favorite senator.

    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    Knowing the dynamics of this forum as much as I do, I think it's best if I just sit this one out. Besides, who reads my posts anyways?
    I do. I second Lark's motion that you contribute more.
    "You know, with Hitler, the more I learn about that guy, the more I don't care for him."
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