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    Back on topic.

    The reason I started this was I had been asked what being a conservative meant.

    I thought long and hard and did some searching, and came upon Russell Kirk.

    This is what conservatism is, it isn't a line in the sand against taxes, or gay marriage, or abortion. Hyper aggressive foreign policy.

    And it most certainly isn't for the consolidation of power. The people running the Republican show aren't the best right now, but given time things will get back to where they need to.
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    The biggest issue I take with Kirk's list is the inclusion of property as a central principle, instead of as a derivative of some other central principle (such as social roles or privileges). The existence of (real) property itself is a deeply radical notion, one that necessitates the imposition of arbitrary human force over others in the form of a government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    Back on topic.

    The reason I started this was I had been asked what being a conservative meant.

    I thought long and hard and did some searching, and came upon Russell Kirk.

    This is what conservatism is, it isn't a line in the sand against taxes, or gay marriage, or abortion. Hyper aggressive foreign policy.

    And it most certainly isn't for the consolidation of power. The people running the Republican show aren't the best right now, but given time things will get back to where they need to.
    Note, the first thing that Kirk mentions is the enduring moral order which I believe puts any support of abortion and same-sex marriage outside of traditional conservatism. However, I do believe you're right that conservatives generally don't draw lines in the sand and should be willing to compromise on those issues.

    Yes, the republican establishment is not very conservative largely because of neocon influence which is highly anti-conservative as it seeks to bring peace and order to the world through so-called democracy promotion and increased U.S. Hegemony.
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    Abortion and gay marriage fit in my moral order buddy.
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    Kirk's the conservative mind is a large work, but the Alabama policy institute has put together a pretty good outline PDF that is available for free here: http://www.alabamapolicy.org/pdf/kirkconservative.pdf
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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    Abortion and gay marriage fit in my moral order buddy.
    I'm pretty sure kirk's view of conservatism didn't allow for moral relativism. You're welcome to prove me wrong if you can.

    Edit: sorry I misread that as "any moral order" not "MY moral order."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beefeater View Post
    I'm pretty sure kirk's view of conservatism didn't allow for moral relativism. You're welcome to prove me wrong if you can.

    Edit: sorry I misread that as "any moral order" not "MY moral order."
    No worries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beefeater View Post
    Note, the first thing that Kirk mentions is the enduring moral order which I believe puts any support of abortion and same-sex marriage outside of traditional conservatism.
    Denying a person a medical procedure and denying someone their civil rights are both highly immoral. I would say that supporting the rights of others is something to be championed and applauded, regardless of political alignment. If there is a political alignment that stands against these ideals, it ought to be destroyed by any means, the only remnants serving as a testimony to barbarism and dark times long abandoned by a civil society.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beargryllz View Post
    Denying a person a medical procedure and denying someone their civil rights are both highly immoral. I would say that supporting the rights of others is something to be championed and applauded, regardless of political alignment. If there is a political alignment that stands against these ideals, it ought to be destroyed by any means, the only remnants serving as a testimony to barbarism and dark times long abandoned by a civil society.
    Thank you for exemplifying the ugly uncompromising hubris of progressive idealism.

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