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    I would argue that the views of the teachers are more viscerally experienced by the pupils than are the wishes of those funding education.

    And isn't the experience of the students that's the most important thing here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jontherobot View Post
    See, conservatives can be smart, too.
    Not really, that post regurgitated a bunch of errors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UniqueMixture View Post
    You gotta get out of that hell hole man. It's eating away at your soul.
    Huh? The Westboro Baptist Church would represent something closer to the worst, though I'm not sure they are the absolute worst element (in this respect) in the Republican party.

    Santorum isn't even close to the worst. He is closer to the mainstream in the Republican party than many people realize.
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    Welcome to typoc...

    Your representative owes you, not his industry only, but his judgment; and he betrays, instead of serving you, if he sacrifices it to your opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EJCC View Post
    Or he meant academics, intellectuals, and pseudo-intellectuals? This would make a lot more sense, especially since academia is so left-wing, generally speaking. It would make sense for Rick Santorum to say that conservatives will never capture the intellectual vote.

    But "smart people"? What a fail. I don't know how he ever thought that made enough sense to be included in a speech.
    The problem is that people like Santorum believe that any scientist who doesn't deny evolution exists is a pseudo-intellectual. His position is rooted in the fact that science has proven some Biblical claims to be false. Biblical claims cannot be false, by definition (according to Santorum and his ilk), therefore those people are "too smart for their own good" (deceived by the devil). That group includes pretty much all scientists.
    "We grow up thinking that beliefs are something to be proud of, but they're really nothing but opinions one refuses to reconsider. Beliefs are easy. The stronger your beliefs are, the less open you are to growth and wisdom, because "strength of belief" is only the intensity with which you resist questioning yourself. As soon as you are proud of a belief, as soon as you think it adds something to who you are, then you've made it a part of your ego."

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    Quote Originally Posted by fia View Post
    That is one very specific, small example.
    Its been established through multiple surveys that the Democratic, if not self-consciously left-wing, bias in academia as well as among political reporters is overwhelming. You seem to be arguing that coporate elites manage to drown this out with money, which while theoretically possible has coincidentally never matched the anecdotal experiences or perceptions of almost any conservative I've ever met or whose works I've ever read.

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    ^Those were some really conservative hippies. They were even married - and they drove cars. Good grief- do people not even know what it means to be really progressive. At least they weren't so tightly anal that they couldn't blow a little wind. With the population explosion isn't that even more reason to drive a hybrid? What do you say to that, @DiscoBiscuit?

    Quote Originally Posted by lowtech redneck View Post
    Its been established through multiple surveys that the Democratic, if not self-consciously left-wing, bias in academia as well as among political reporters is overwhelming. You seem to be arguing that coporate elites manage to drown this out with money, which while theoretically possible has coincidentally never matched the anecdotal experiences or perceptions of almost any conservative I've ever met or whose works I've ever read.
    So you take anecdotal experience over the effects of funding? Realize that perception is also the easiest aspect of measurement to toy with. That is the foundation of propaganda - which of course has been rebranded as public relations. Perceptions are becoming skewed so far from Center that it is a real issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fia View Post
    Academia and the media are tagged as being leftist, but they really are not.
    This whole post was complete trash.

    Academia and our media establishment are absurdly leftist.

    90% of college professors, and an even higher % of journalists, are donating/registered Democrats.

    Bill Clinton was a genuinely centrist/left-of-center President, and Barack, well, it's more complicated with Barack.

    In some sense he's a pragmatist and a centrist, but in others, he's got very strong socialist sympathies.

    Liberals are not "actually conservatives", and the Democrats are not Center.

    Nifty use of "projection" to try and fit your political prism, though.

    And your lament at the end was hilarious.
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    Tell us how you really feel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    This whole post was complete trash.

    Academia and our media establishment are absurdly leftist.

    90% of college professors, and an even higher % of journalists, are registered Democrats.

    Bill Clinton was a genuinely left-of-center President, and Barack, well, it's more complicated with Barack.

    In some sense he's a pragmatist and a centrist, but in others, he's got very strong socialist sympathies.

    Liberals are not "actually conservatives", and the Democrats are not Center.

    Nifty use of projection to try and fit your political prism, though.

    And your lament at the end was hilarious.
    I would actually say Clinton was more middle of the road than Obama, but that's just me.
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