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    Default Chimps are libertarians or maybe objectivists

    http://arstechnica.com/science/2012/...mpanzee-style/

    These results suggest that, although chimpanzees understand unfair behavior and retaliate when they are personally affected, they do not engage in punishment when they are merely a bystander.
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    Yeah, lol my best friend's intj libertarian father showed me that article ironically. This reminds me of the david sloan wilson thing and the water striders vs. hornets. Usually ixtxs get bullied in high school and if they never emotionally mature they retain this "I'm not going to stick my neck out for ANYONE!" babyish attitude like a spoiled brat ;_;
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    isnt this sort of "everyone takes care of themselves and not give a crap about others" the core ideology behind conservatism?
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    Quote Originally Posted by INTP View Post
    isnt this sort of "everyone takes care of themselves and not give a crap about others" the core ideology behind conservatism?
    I see what you did there LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by INTP View Post
    isnt this sort of "everyone takes care of themselves and not give a crap about others" the core ideology behind conservatism?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    you didnt answer my question
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    Quote Originally Posted by INTP View Post
    isnt this sort of "everyone takes care of themselves and not give a crap about others" the core ideology behind conservatism?
    The core ideology behind conservativism is that it isn't an ideology. We have a religion and Christ the savior so we don't need the state to save us. I'm not interested in a civil religion to inflict on others by force as left-wingers are so intent on doing.

    Edit: Btw, libertarians are political ideologues and this why libertarians are NOT conservatives.
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    Quote Originally Posted by INTP View Post
    you didnt answer my question
    The answer is no if you couldn't pick up on that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by INTP View Post
    isnt this sort of "everyone takes care of themselves and not give a crap about others" the core ideology behind conservatism?

    I can see how you would envision these two being in the same vein.

    If liberals are commies, conservatives are libertarians.




    Unfortunately, your stereotypical conservative ideologue would not grant the personal liberties many libertarians would, such as equal opportunity marriage or the right to abort an evolving fetus.

    Actually, it's mildly entertaining to think that those are some of the few social concerns left to definitively conquer in the United States. Cool.




    Oh yeah, legalize pot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beefeater View Post
    The core ideology behind conservativism is that it isn't an ideology. We have a religion and Christ the savior so we don't need the state to save us. I'm not interested in a civil religion to inflict on others by force as left-wingers are so intent on doing.

    Edit: Btw, libertarians are political ideologues and this why libertarians are NOT conservatives.
    You, going off of the political ideology you seem to have supported in the past, seem to me to be more of a libertarian than a conservative. Conservatism has nothing to do with Christianity, at least in and of itself. In fact, some its biggest proponents were anti-Christian. Not to say it's necessarily incompatible, but that political ideologies are political ideologies, period. Aspects of some may be more or less compatible with Christianity than others, but that doesn't mean they're necessarily Christian ideologies.
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