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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    I think its hard to find a politician which isnt connected to the military industrial complex, the US is addicted to militarism.
    Unfortunately, saber rattling goes with the territory. But if it wasn't for WWII, we would still be in a depression.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal+ View Post
    Unfortunately, saber rattling goes with the territory. But if it wasn't for WWII, we would still be in a depression.
    I dont know, if it wasnt for the keynesianism which war permitted I would say. Its not like it has to be war but its one of the few things which will permit the tax and spend necessary to correct that kind of market failure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    I dont know, if it wasnt for the keynesianism which war permitted I would say. Its not like it has to be war but its one of the few things which will permit the tax and spend necessary to correct that kind of market failure.
    If only tax and spend corrected market failure. There is one important psychological factor missing here: ambition. WWII put people back to work in private industry and motivated them to work harder.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal+ View Post
    If only tax and spend corrected market failure. There is one important psychological factor missing here: ambition. WWII put people back to work in private industry and motivated them to work harder.
    If I was naive about economics I think I might think that too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    If I was naive about economics I think I might think that too.
    Has a tax and spend policy fixed any economy? When and where?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal+ View Post
    Has a tax and spend policy fixed any economy? When and where?
    The crux of the issue arises.
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    Quote Originally Posted by swordpath View Post
    It's called unfounded rumor and fear mongering. It's a display of rivaling political parties playing cutthroat.

    What you're saying sounds very dramatic and borderline conspiracy talk. I'd be wary to put any faith in such information.
    Wow. How backwards can you make things?
    Those advocating for taking down the military industrial complex are not the ones engaging in rumors and fear mongering. Pretty sure the ones engaging in that are the politicians who used shitty evidence during primary season to claim Iran was going to make use of WMDs within 6 months. It's been nine months and somehow Iran has not started ww3.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal+ View Post
    Has a tax and spend policy fixed any economy? When and where?
    So you're saying that the taxing and spending brought about my the new deal and world war 2 didn't fix anything?

    I'll also mirror that question; when has removing taxing and spending fixed and economy?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beefeater View Post
    Wow. How backwards can you make things?
    Those advocating for taking down the military industrial complex are not the ones engaging in rumors and fear mongering. Pretty sure the ones engaging in that are the politicians who used shitty evidence during primary season to claim Iran was going to make use of WMDs within 6 months. It's been nine months and somehow Iran has not started ww3.
    I didn't say it doesn't come from both sides...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    So you're saying that the taxing and spending brought about my the new deal and world war 2 didn't fix anything?

    I'll also mirror that question; when has removing taxing and spending fixed and economy?
    Aren't you the one who said that any amount of deaths would be excusable in the creation of a communist society?
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