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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    You're right, some are statewide, and 23 states have blue laws, including interestingly enough California.

    However, this doesn't really weaken my argument for states rights.
    I never had any intention of talking about states' rights. I thought this thread was about religion and politics. Either way, I support states' rights as long as they don't interfere with the constitution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Metamorphosis View Post
    I never had any intention of talking about states' rights. I thought this thread was about religion and politics. Either way, I support states' rights as long as they don't interfere with the constitution.
    You do know that separation of church and state is not in the constitution?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beefeater View Post
    You do know that separation of church and state is not in the constitution?
    That comment had nothing to do with the church and state.
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    Religious socialist til I die.
    All for ourselves, and nothing for other people, seems, in every age of the world, to have been the vile maxim of the masters of mankind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Metamorphosis View Post
    That comment had nothing to do with the church and state.
    I know you never directly stated that it was, but I thought I would mention it since 1) it's a common misconception, and 2) you previously stated concern about the separation of church and state in this thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by Metamorphosis View Post
    I'm sure there are a number that aren't coming to mind, though. Also, I wasn't implying that it was a good thing.

    In my experience, a healthy portion of the people that say that they support the separation of church and state really only support the separation of the state and churches other than their own.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KDude View Post
    I feel sorry for any state still enacting Blue Laws.
    Ah, but if it wasn't for the Blue Laws, the German American Bund, which supported Hitler in the pre-World War II era, would have built their largest training facility in America... right in my home town actually. Fortunately, they were caught working on Sunday, so the citizens of the town (who were obviously against the Bund) used the Blue Laws to imprison them, and while they were imprisoned, they set up a zoning department that would not allow any military activity other than the U.S. army. Blue Laws came in handy then (even that's pretty much the only time they were ever used). This doesn't have much to do with the thread, but your post just reminded me of that (and I thought it would be interesting to share that history about my town).

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    First thought: Seems like I'm not the only one.

    Second thought: Hallelujah (pun intended)

    It really gives me headaches having someone breathing down my neck about Jesus/God. In fact, it's counter-productive. I know you are desperate to convince yourself, but seriously. There is no need to try to convince someone if you are truly a believer of Them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metamorphosis View Post
    I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not,
    I think Disco's point had to do with the fact that (the American incarnation of) the separation of church and state* has long had a religious as well as a secular basis, and its the former that is probably most responsible for its entrenchment as a civic principle in the United States.

    The laws you mention may be attributable to religion, but they lack legal force (ever since the Fourteenth Amendment) unless justified on a secular basis....there is no violation of the separation of Church and State just because the primary motivation is religious dogma rather than other (secular) subjective philosphical moral principles.

    That said, Blue Laws suck hard (I'm glad I was finally able to vote against them in Georgia recently) and its perfectly legitimate to mistrust religion in politics due to a dislike of most laws with a primarily religious motivation behind them.

    *Which does not mandate a lack of religion in public life (i.e Laicism), an interpretation that effectively discriminates against religious people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    You mean county.

    That's the great thing about states rights, the can enact laws that suit their populace without affecting you.
    Shitty laws suck for everyone

    Besides, what if you live in a state that enacts shitty laws? Then you're really fucked

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