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    Quote Originally Posted by Eckhart View Post
    I am sorry, I was only picking on your sentence that it is the work of the architect which I wanted to use as my starting point for my post which was rather directed on yakimadude who you answered to
    Why you confuse me for fun!?

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    Quote Originally Posted by iwakar View Post
    It hasn't been created yet, but it has been slated for development. And technically, you have a Dutch architect to thank for that design.

    Additional Note: I also seriously doubt the planners were oblivious to it's striking similarities to our historical tragedy. I don't doubt for a moment that it isn't beneath the Korean government to cook up such a design to provoke our sentiments while having the convenience of feigning ignorance and dreaming up some bullsh*t about "a cloud-like vision" blah blah blah.
    Yeah, because the whole world revolves around 9/11.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gish View Post
    Probably worse even than his father. Even if Kim Jong-Il liked to prance around and pretend to be a god king, he did have at least some sense of how his country was viewed by the outside world, I don't know how well his son would understand that, especially if he was behind the sinking of the south korean ship that happened recently, as some suspect.
    I believe he was educated in Switzerland. He probably does not have as poor an idea of the west as you think.
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    Well, that might just make him even more scary, we'll have to see if other high ranking officials even allow him to maintain any kind of leadership role. The coming months should be pretty interesting.

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    The Kim is dead, long live the Kim!
    By Donald Kirk
    Asia Times Online
    December 20, 2011

    SEOUL - The death of bouffant-coifed, platform-heel wearing North Korean dictator Kim Jong-il on Saturday ushers in a new era of rampant speculation, pontification and no doubt obfuscation about what's really going on inside the Hermit Kingdom.

    The fact is that Kim Jong-il late last week appeared just fine as he toured a military strong point, posing beside his son and heir presumptive, Kim Jong-eun. It was not until late on Monday morning that word came through to stand by for an "important announcement" at noon, Korea time.

    The initial assumption was North Korea was going to beat Washington to the punch with a deal on a "moratorium" on missile and nuclear tests in exchange for resumption of United States food aid to North Korea.

    Now all bets are off as North Korea goes into mourning for a man who was known as the Dear Leader while ruling his starving people with an iron hand through 17 years in power. What's sure is that third son Kim Jong-eun is the titular leader. You only had to see his name at the head of the funeral committee to know that the clique around the power center was going to honor his father's wishes to that extent.

    However, we will have to wait to see what happens to moves toward reconciliation between the US and North Korea that appeared well underway even after Kim Jong-il, 69, had died but before we heard the announcement.

    The new US envoy to North Korea, Glyn Davies, was due to return to Beijing this week for talks with a top North Korean official - the prelude, it was widely assumed, to the first six-party talks on North Korea's nuclear program since December 2008.

    The six-party talks, hosted by Beijing, may come to pass but not until North Korea has gone through a power shift that may be little understood beyond the inner sanctums of power in Pyongyang. Kim Jong-eun may well appear to be his father's heir, just as his father was heir to power after the death of Kim Il-sung in July 1994, but Kim Jong-il was far better prepared than was his son to take over.

    Jong-eun, anointed a four-star general by his father and seen standing beside him in an enormous display of military might in October 2010, will have difficulty making his way among the aging generals who control every region of the country.

    More immediately, he will have to show he's capable of dealing with a conniving aunt, Kim Jong-il's sister, Kim Kyung-hui, and her ambitious husband, Jang Song-thaek. Jang ranks as one of four vice chairmen of the National Defense Commission, the center of power in North Korea, which Kim Jong-il served as chairman.

    How Jong-eun manipulates among generals who know much more about what's going on, and who's doing what to whom, within the ruling elite of Pyongyang will be the stuff of intriguing drama - with a denouement that's far from certain.

    It's possible, though, that the generals, the relative and in-laws will all decide it's best for their own survival to rally behind the young man as a unifying, compromise, conciliatory figure - conciliatory, that is, within the top circles of power in Pyongyang. A question for the US, South Korea and others will be whether he feels the compulsion to show off his power with rhetoric and perhaps threats or will be in a mood for reconciliation with North Korea's long-time enemies.

    Another question is how the starving, disease-ridden population will take the news. The record of public executions and imprisonment of anyone showing the slightest sign of dissent is not likely to inspire veneration for his memory.

    Nonetheless, we can be sure of public displays of weeping and wailing as went on for years after his father's demise. In that spirit, it was woman dressed in black traditional hanbok dress who announced Kim's death from a massive heart attack while on a train. He was apparently on another inspection tour - one of many that he's made in the past few years despite apparently suffering a stroke in August 2008.

    Undoubtedly the death of Jong-il leaves a power vacuum in North Korea. However, in the past three years the Dear Leader has sought to advance Swiss-educated Jong-eun as his successor after bypassing two older brothers, notably the playboy Kim Jong-nam, living in luxury in Macau.

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    May God have mercy on his soul.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    May God have mercy on his soul.
    It might not be ronery in hell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Outsider View Post
    Yeah, because the whole world revolves around 9/11.
    No, because North Korea and the US governments aren't on good terms.
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