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  1. #11
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    That's one reason why I do not favor a welfare state, although I acknowledge that the issues it tries to redress are certainly real.
    I really dont think the welfare state is the right track at all, there's plenty of socialists have thought so too, with much more vehemance than myself.

    Although I have a tendency to believe that its been one real attempt to strike a light rather than curse the darkness. Even if much of it has been the expropriation of functions formerly carried out by families and religious by an, at the very best, ambivalent state.
    All for ourselves, and nothing for other people, seems, in every age of the world, to have been the vile maxim of the masters of mankind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    I really dont think the welfare state is the right track at all, there's plenty of socialists have thought so too, with much more vehemance than myself.

    Although I have a tendency to believe that its been one real attempt to strike a light rather than curse the darkness. Even if much of it has been the expropriation of functions formerly carried out by families and religious by an, at the very best, ambivalent state.
    I support welfare, however anyone with eyes can see it's not a perfect system. When there is third generation dole bludgers in housing estates, you know some thing went wrong with the dream. Even for the most passionate socialist that's a bit hard to swallow. My little stint of being below the poverty line did enlighten me to just how easy it is to get sucked into the poverty trap. I was just extremely lucky, and some thing of rarity judging by people's reactions, when I finally managed to get re-employed.
    Truth is there are way too many rules and regulations....if I didn't have to pay an exhorbtant amount for a busker's license, and there were rule and regulations, as to how, what, and why and where, I would have set up a table on the street and done fortune telling, to pay my way.
    At least in Sydney I couldn't. I know people do,but I couldn't afford to get arrested either. If I have a criminal record, I'm not employable.
    Any my point being, you can't stray too far from convention, because there are so many rules and regulations. Gone are the days where you could hawk things on the street. I'm not sure who that's benefiting?

    I guess it a long convoluted way of saying, there aren't much options really outside of a business, or job to make money these days.
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    That was a great post, @93JC. I think you are on to something there (and it's pretty depressing). We've been sold a bill of goods, and now that we're realizing it, we're at a loss as to how to fix it. It will probably involve lowering our expectations a lot, which will only contribute to the cynicism inherent in this generation.
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    Our generation is the product of two long-term social experiments conducted by our parents. The first sought to create little hyperachievers encouraged to explore our interests and talents, so long as that could be spun for maximum effect on a college application. (I would like to take this forum to at last admit that my co-secretaryship of the math club had nothing to do with any passion for numbers and much to do with the extra-credit points.) In the second experiment, which was a reaction to their own distant moms and dads, our parents tried to see how much self-confidence they could pack into us, like so many overstuffed microfiber love seats, and accordingly we were awarded clip-art Certificates of Participation just for showing up.

    The finite supply of actual brass rings meant that the first experiment would never pan out, but the second was a runaway success. Self-esteem among young people in America has been rising since the seventies, but it’s now so dramatically high that social scientists are considering whether they need to find a different measurement system—we’ve broken the scale. Since we are not in fact all perfect, this means that the endless praise we got growing up, win or lose, must have really sunk in. (Meanwhile, it’s this characteristic that our parents’ generation—which instilled it in us!—so delights in interpreting as “entitled.”)
    This is so foreign to my childhood experience that whenever I read stuff like I this my first thought is that it's a media invention. Maybe it was just my parents, or the fact that we were lower middle class living paycheck to paycheck.... I saw that more in the second half of GenY, people born in the 90s. I was a kid in the 90s recession after all....growing up, I saw unemployment, bankruptcy, home foreclosures, etc, just not quite to the degree it's at now.

    I think the myth I've seen bought into the most in my generation was the idea of having a career you enjoy that uses your strengths, as opposed to taking work that is in demand that you may not enjoy or be naturally talented in. As far as self-esteem goes, I guess it was the message that a career could provide some self-fulfillment & is not just a paycheck that was too idealistic. No one wants to tell their kids, "Forget what you like; you'll probably have to do work you hate as an adult just to survive". Now that reality has fed us this message, employers still want the idealistic attitude though. That's what's making people cynical, IMO.
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    It takes one to know one. Egotistical, entitled, and "special" people tend to be well aware of others who sport those same traits.
    The baby boom generation is only unique because of the sheer numbers of baby boomers.
    I am a baby boomer and, because there are so many of us, we aren't especially special... or the "greater" generation...
    Just a large diverse group of people...
    Just like all of the other generations...

    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    Yeah my thoughts roughly parallels those of @93JC, particularly on how ironic it is for Baby Boomers of all people to talk about how ""entitled, self-absorbed and convinced of its 'specialness'" and so on their children are. I mean they're already trying to claim themselves as "the Greater Generation" for goodness sakes.
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    Seems like I touched a nerve.

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    Goddamn boomers.
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