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  1. #11
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haphazard View Post
    I don't know about you but I'm pretty sure Assange and Victor are the same person.
    We should arrest Victor, and have him charged for sexual assault.

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    Assange is just telling everyone at the family dinner that Uncle Joe molested him and the family is outraged at him that he brought it up.

    Can't wait for the bank of america release

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silently Honest View Post
    We should arrest Victor, and have him charged for sexual assault.
    Dude, if we arrested all the internet trolls, all that would be left is all the old people who can't figure out those gosh darned newfangled devices.

    -Carefully taking sips from the Fire Hose of Knowledge

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    This is from the Wall Street Journal. Hackers strike back to support Wikileaks.

    A growing list of organizations and individuals that have tangled with WikiLeaks and its detained founder, Julian Assange, have suffered online attacks, in what appears to be an effort by hackers bent on exacting revenge for the document-leaking website.

    The arrest of WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange in the U.K. early Tuesday sets the stage for an extradition battle. WSJ London Bureau Chief Bruce Orwall discusses with Simon Constable.

    The attacks stepped up Wednesday, a day after Mr. Assange was arrested and denied bail in London in connection with sexual-misconduct accusations in Sweden. A range of organizations, including MasterCard Inc., Visa Inc., and the Swedish prosecutor's office, reported technical difficulties with their websites that appear to stem from so-called denial of service attacks, in which computers flood a server to prevent it from displaying a Web page.

    The attacks in recent days have hit eBay Inc.'s PayPal as well as MasterCard, both of which have pulled services from WikiLeaks in recent days. Also affected: Swiss bank PostFinance. The unit of Swiss Post recently closed Mr. Assange's account, saying he provided a false address in Geneva, failing to meet the bank's requirement of Swiss residency for account holders. While the attacks caused some business disruption, they were mostly annoying rather than crippling.

    The Swedish Prosecution Service said Wednesday that its website had been flooded overnight by denial of service attacks. The prosecutors' office said it reported the incident to Swedish police. The website for Claes Borgstrom, the lawyer representing the two women making the accusations against Mr. Assange, also crashed.

    A WikiLeaks spokesman couldn't be reached to comment. In a television interview Wednesday, WikiLeaks spokesman Kristinn Hrafnsson said moves by companies that have cut off WikiLeaks are "causing an outrage among the general public that actually might hurt their own business."

    By Wednesday morning in Europe, MasterCard, also was suffering attacks on its website that slowed its function. At the same time, several Twitter posts claimed that the credit-card company's site was suffering.

    " is DOWN! #ddos #wikileaks Operation:Payback," said one post under the name "Anon_Operation," whose Twitter page is identified as part of Operation Payback, a campaign against "anti-piracy & anti-freedom entities."
    On WikiLeaks

    * WikiLeaks Founder to Fight Extradition
    * WikiLeaks Chief Arrested Over Rape Allegation
    * Harvard Professor on Information Sharing

    MasterCard confirmed its consumer website was experiencing heavy traffic, which appeared "to be the result of a concentrated effort to flood our corporate website with traffic and slow access." The Purchase, N.Y.,company added that it was working to restore normal service and that its "systems have not been compromised and there is no impact on our cardholders' ability to use their cards for secure transactions globally."

    The company later said that it had made "significant progress" in restoring access to the site. MasterCard cardholders who had enrolled in a separate security program also experienced some disruptions when trying to use that service.

    MasterCard had said on Monday that it was working to suspend payments to WikiLeaks "until the situation is resolved."

    In an interview with Jerry Seib, former U.S. National Security Adviser Stephen Hadley lashed out at Wikileaks for damaging U.S. diplomacy with its recent document dump. He also praised the Obama administration's handling of Iran and North Korea.

    Rival Visa Europe, which handles global payments to European companies, followed suit Tuesday by suspending payments to WikiLeaks "pending investigation into whether it contravenes Visa operating rules, including compliance with local laws in the markets where we operate." Both companies facilitated contributions to WikiLeaks that donors charge on their credit cards.By Wednesday afternoon, the attacks hit the corporate website of Visa Inc. The San Francisco-based company said it was taking steps to restore operations.

    Mr. Assange is in custody in London after being arrested on an international warrant issued by Sweden, where he is accused of rape, molestation and unlawful coercion by two women. The WikiLeaks founder, who for the past few months has hopped among countries, had sexual encounters with the women during a stint in Sweden last summer. Mr. Assange, who has confirmed the sexual encounters but denied the assault allegations, hasn't been charged in either case.

    According to a description of the allegations read in a London court on Tuesday, a lawyer for Swedish authorities said one of the women alleges that Mr. Assange forcibly held her arms and legs, preventing her from moving, and had sexual intercourse with her without using a condom despite knowing it was a prerequisite for her. The other woman alleges that Mr. Assange had sex with her while she was asleep, again failing to wear a condom despite knowing she required it.

    Mr. Assange's personal legal problems come against the backdrop of the site's showdown with the U.S. government over WikiLeaks' release of thousands of classified documents. The U.S. considers the documents "stolen," though no charges have been filed against WikiLeaks or Mr. Assange. But tThe situation has caused additional fallout for WikiLeaks, as an array of operators including PayPal and Inc. ceased providing services for WikiLeaks in recent days.

    PayPal spokesman Anuj Nayar said the company did so because a review by the online-payment company determined the account collecting donations for WikiLeaks "to be in violation of our [acceptable use policy]."

    Mr. Nayar said PayPal had been the victim of attacks, which had at times slowed its website down, "but have not significantly impacted payments." He said PayPal's website "was fully operational" Wednesday. Amazon, which has stopped hosting WikiLeaks from its Web servers, didn't report system outages for its Web services Wednesday.

    While it isn't clear exactly who is behind the attacks, some security specialists say they are being organized by a group of online activists calling themselves "Anonymous" as part of the so-called "Operation Payback" effort.

    Sean-Paul Correll, a Los Angeles-based researcher at software firm Panda Security, says the effort is a loose-knit group that uses servers hosted in Russia, but that there is no reason to believe that is where the individuals are based.He added that the group appeared to be able to corral thousands of computers, which are then used to bombard servers of a target Web site with data.

    Mr. Correll described the attacks as more organized than sophisticated. "People are finding out they don't need to stand in a picket line anymore. They are using technology to fight back."

    Bruce Schneier, a cyber-security expert, said it was a common type of attack, "and not a particularly interesting one at that…It's kids playing politics, no threat whatsoever."
    —Niclas Rolander, Robin Sidel, Geoffrey Fowler and Keith Johnson
    contributed to this article.
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    Your representative owes you, not his industry only, but his judgment; and he betrays, instead of serving you, if he sacrifices it to your opinion.
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    Since the election soon after that we have been ruled by a minority government in a hung parliament. This might seem like a bad thing, but having no one with a great deal of power might work well for Assange. Hopefully it means that his case can be properly discussed in Australia and not too many strings can be pulled by the US. I'll note that Kevin Rudd has done well as foreign minister and stayed independent, despite Wikileaks releasing unflattering information about him. He has said that Australia will provide embassy assistance, support and all other things due to a citizen, and turned the government's attitude around significantly from the prime minister's first response.
    Freude, schöner Götterfunken Tochter aus Elysium, Wir betreten feuertrunken, Himmlische, dein Heiligtum! Deine Zauber binden wieder Was die Mode streng geteilt; Alle Menschen werden Brüder, Wo dein sanfter Flügel weilt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noigmn View Post
    There are suggestions in the Australian newspapers today that the US might have played a part in dislodging Kevin Rudd as our Prime Minister last year. Everyone knows the US plays politics beyond their border to control security, but how is Australia a threat?

    All I got from that article was that some Australian politicians gave intelligence to the United States and informed our diplomats that a leadership challenge was imminent...nothing about the United States conspiring to oust Kevin Rudd as Prime Minister.

  7. #17


    Quote Originally Posted by lowtech redneck View Post
    All I got from that article was that some Australian politicians gave intelligence to the United States and informed our diplomats that a leadership challenge was imminent...nothing about the United States conspiring to oust Kevin Rudd as Prime Minister.
    After rereading, and getting more sources, I agree with you, and retract the comment. It seems he was just an informant.

    What I wrote about Rudd in the second paragraph stands though. He actually was quoted as saying, "Mr Assange is not himself responsible for the unauthorised release of 250,000 documents from the US diplomatic communications network. The Americans are responsible for that,"
    Freude, schöner Götterfunken Tochter aus Elysium, Wir betreten feuertrunken, Himmlische, dein Heiligtum! Deine Zauber binden wieder Was die Mode streng geteilt; Alle Menschen werden Brüder, Wo dein sanfter Flügel weilt.

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    This is a fascinating saga to watch play out. Very interesting interplay. That there is an avenue to make large entities who hold sway over millions take notice... brilliant.

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    The fact that so many people would rather not know the truth and continue pretending these things don't happen, or that they are simply necessary, makes me sad; I suppose choosing to remain ignorant is something I'll never understand. Then again, the number of people who still want to know the truth fills me with hope.

    On a related note, if you're a supporter of Wikileaks, I urge you to take a couple of minutes to sign this petition:

    I'll be continuing to watch what happens with great interest.
    Personally, I think it's about time that things got shaken up a bit.
    INFJ 9w1.

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    From the's Congress Blog WikiLeaks is revealing the truth about American empire - by (Rep. Ron Paul)

    Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) delivered the following speech on the House floor yesterday:

    WikiLeaks release of classified information has generated a lot of attention in the past few weeks. The hysterical reaction makes one wonder if this is not an example of killing the messenger for the bad news. Despite what is claimed, the information that has been so far released, though classified, has caused no known harm to any individual, but it has caused plenty of embarrassment to our government. Losing a grip on our empire is not welcomed by the neoconservatives in charge.

    There is now more information confirming that Saudi Arabia is a principal supporter and financier of al Qaeda, and this should set off alarm bells since we guarantee its Sharia-run government. This emphasizes even more the fact that no al Qaeda existed in Iraq before 9/11, and yet we went to war against Iraq based on the lie that it did. It has been charged by self-proclaimed experts that Julian Assange, the internet publisher of this information, has committed a heinous crime, deserving prosecution for treason and execution, or even assassination.

    But should we not at least ask how the U.S. government can charge an Australian citizen with treason for publishing U.S. secret information that he did not steal? And if WikiLeaks is to be prosecuted for publishing classified documents, why shouldn't the Washington Post, the New York Times, and others that have also published these documents be prosecuted? Actually, some in Congress are threatening this as well.

    The New York Times, as a result of a Supreme Court ruling, was not found guilty in 1971 for the publication of the Pentagon Papers. Daniel Ellsberg never served a day in prison for his role in obtaining these secret documents. The Pentagon Papers were also inserted into the Congressional record by Senator Mike Gravel, with no charges being made of breaking any national security laws. Yet the release of this classified information was considered illegal by many, and those who lied us into the Vietnam war, and argued for its prolongation were outraged. But the truth gained from the Pentagon Papers revealed that lies were told about the Gulf of Tonkin attack, which perpetuated a sad and tragic episode in our history.

    Just as with the Vietnam War, the Iraq War was based on lies. We were never threatened by weapons of mass destruction or al Qaeda in Iraq, though the attack on Iraq was based on this false information. Any information that challenges the official propaganda for the war in the Middle East is unwelcome by the administration and supporters of these unnecessary wars. Few are interested in understanding the relationship of our foreign policy and our presence in the Middle East to the threat of terrorism. Revealing the real nature and goal of our presence in so many Muslim countries is a threat to our empire, and any revelation of this truth is highly resented by those in charge.

    Questions to consider:

    Number 1: Do the America People deserve know the truth regarding the ongoing war in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan and Yemen?

    Number 2: Could a larger question be how can an army private access to so much secret information?

    Number 3: Why is the hostility mostly directed at Assange, the publisher, and not at our government’s failure to protect classified information?

    Number 4: Are we getting our moneys worth of the $80 billion per year spent on intelligence gathering?

    Number 5: Which has resulted in the greatest number of deaths: lying us into war or Wikileaks revelations or the release of the Pentagon Papers?

    Number 6: If Assange can be convicted of a crime for publishing information that he did not steal, what does this say about the future of the first amendment and the independence of the Internet?

    Number 7: Could it be that the real reason for the near universal attacks on Wikileaks is more about secretly maintaining a seriously flawed foreign policy of empire than it is about national security?

    Number 8: Is there not a huge difference between releasing secret information to help the enemy in a time of declared war, which is treason, and the releasing of information to expose our government lies that promote secret wars, death and corruption?

    Number 9: Was it not once considered patriotic to stand up to our government when it is wrong?

    Thomas Jefferson had it right when he advised: “Let the eyes of vigilance never be closed.” I yield back the balance of my time.
    Your representative owes you, not his industry only, but his judgment; and he betrays, instead of serving you, if he sacrifices it to your opinion.
    - Edmund Burke

    8w9 sx/so

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