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    everyone is ready for democracy.
    True I agree.

    I never claimed that they weren't better off with us there.
    Now that makes more sense.
    I was mostly talking about the Soviet invasion
    Why would the Soviets be bad? They had socialism isn't it? They would have done an okay job over there. Atleast they would have gotten rid of the sexist discrimination.

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    The price of metals is sky high, in the UK there's been a rash of thefts of cables from train signals, even of copper breakers from power sub-stations, stopping the thefts is second only to preventing terrorist attacks according the radio this morning.

    So it could be good news for the Afghans, it could be interesting if the Market Maoists carve up the country instead of the US, China doesnt mess around and if they entered in a serious way the US' war on terror it could go very differently.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Curzon View Post
    True I agree.


    Now that makes more sense.

    Why would the Soviets be bad? They had socialism isn't it? They would have done an okay job over there. Atleast they would have gotten rid of the sexist discrimination.
    The USSR was "invited" to enter the country by domestic socialists who had taken over the government (I dont know if it was a free election), anyway, it was the USSRs Vietnam, a militaristic force with an alien culture enters a country they dont understand, gets messed up bad and can do little other than screw the place up so badly that it wont be any example to neighbouring states of a successful alternative to their modus operandi when they exited.

    For the US in Vietnam they screwed the country up so bad it wouldnt be able to provide any example of a prosperous socialism, for the USSR in Afghanistan it was a more desperate retreat but they wrecked the place too, not capitalism, not anything would work pretty much. The complete lawlessness and chaos led to people turning to traditional authoritiarianism, the theocons of that region.

    Socialism wouldnt have been any good to that country, they hadnt experienced democracy or even modernism, such as widespread literacy, broadcasting or education open to all, they had a functioning caste system pretty much. That's if you're considering socialism in a western sense as something better made possible by surpluses in wealth, in most of the developing world at that time it was just synonymous with rapid industrialisation or modernisation.
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    These findings have actually been known to the military since 2007, and the reports were even online. The Pentagon just recently tacked the figure $1 trillion to it, which wasn't seen before, and started publicizing it. One theory is that the story is being pushed now in order to increase support for the dreadfully unpopular war.

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    I'm also stuck wondering who are we to be deciding what's best for other countries? but then again, that's a whole other kettle of fish
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    Quote Originally Posted by Curzon View Post
    True I agree.
    A child doesn't decide what they are going to eat, or whether or not they are going to go to school, or if they can go run around a ghetto at midnight. The adult raises them until they are capable of making informed healthy decisions.

    A massively uneducated populace is incapable of making good decisions when it comes to both foreign and domestic policy. What they need is leadership and education...FIRST.

    The loya jirga is not entirely unlike a congress. The problem is that the West isn't capable of understanding the importance of tribes in these areas. Instead, it's the lines that we made up arbitrarily that are important to us.

    Quote Originally Posted by Curzon View Post
    Why would the Soviets be bad? They had socialism isn't it? They would have done an okay job over there. Atleast they would have gotten rid of the sexist discrimination.
    This is so ridiculous it almost isn't even worth arguing against, so I'll just leave it at this. While the soviets wanted to spread socialism, the main goal in Afghanistan was clearing a path.
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    Ok, Iraq is about oil and Afghanstan is about metal ore. Makes sense.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Antisocial one View Post
    Somebody had to say it.
    uh, you read the part about how nobody realized the strategically valuable mineral wealth was there until after the war began, right? There's a reason the post-Cold War policy was one of (not so) benign neglect...

    I understand that these types of strategic minerals require expensive infrastructure and technical knowledge to exploit, so the Taliban would not be in a position to expropriate them for their own benefit, but on the other hand the Afghan government can't exploit them themselves until they become competent enough to at least provide security for the foreign contractors who would dominate the industry for several years. That's the good news: the bad news is that easy revenues from the mineral rents would enable the Afghan government to stop progressing beyond that point, with negative results for Afghan development afterwords. In short, Afghanistan would experience an initial boom in terms of living standards and governance, followed quickly by stagnation and then decline, like most of the post-colonial states. Avoiding this pattern is an uncertain and path-dependent process, which is political science code for "fuck if we know, its a matter of trial-and-error."

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    Quote Originally Posted by lowtech redneck View Post
    uh, you read the part about how nobody realized the strategically valuable mineral wealth was there until after the war began, right? There's a reason the post-Cold War policy was one of (not so) benign neglect...

    To be honest I was just being sarcastic.

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    Wow... This strikes me as bad news really.

    Occupied by the USA, bordering on Iran, Pakistan, and China, and not too far off from Russia, which has something of a grudge against Afghanistan anyway.

    And like people were saying, it could just become like a resource rich African country. That's an especially bad thing to be when surrounded by so many countries with some real power and a desire to own more resources.
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