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    Quote Originally Posted by onemoretime View Post
    It's not all about money. We tell ourselves this, much like we do other myths about the American socioeconmic structure. "America doesn't have class" being the primary amongst these.
    I would modify "America doesn't have class" to something more like "America does have class, but it also has class mobility."

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    Quote Originally Posted by oberon View Post
    I would modify "America doesn't have class" to something more like "America does have class, but it also has class mobility."
    But apparently it doesn't.

    If I can go to Austria and work at a convenience store and marry a truck driver, then why should I bother with my advanced degrees here?
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    Lately I've read some interesting arguments in favour of highly stratified and inequitable societies, provided that mobility is at the very least a prospect or possibility, in fact even if it isnt but is something of a popular fantasy encouraged by things as few and far between as a lottery.
    All for ourselves, and nothing for other people, seems, in every age of the world, to have been the vile maxim of the masters of mankind.
    Chapter IV, p. 448. - Adam Smith, Book 3, The Wealth of Nations

    whether or not you credit psychoanalysis itself, the fact remains that we all must, to the greatest extent possible, understand one another's minds as our own; the very survival of humanity has always depended on it. - Open Culture

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    Quote Originally Posted by oberon View Post
    I would modify "America doesn't have class" to something more like "America does have class, but it also has class mobility."
    ...just not as much as one may think.

    We've clearly increased our general level of affluence in the US since World War II. However, social class isn't about money, it's about opportunities and outcomes. The higher your social class, the greater autonomy you have from the power of others, and the greater influence your power has over others. What we call the "middle class" in the United States is actually a highly-affluent working class, relative to its forbears.

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