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  1. #81
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    Mildly amusing.

    [youtube=]Obama's Many Awards[/youtube]
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    Everyone is surprised?

    Saw this coming a mile away (except that I didn't know it was time for them to announce Nobel Prizes yet).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cimarron View Post
    Everyone is surprised?

    Saw this coming a mile away (except that I didn't know it was time for them to announce Nobel Prizes yet).
    Same. Not surprised in the least, with all the comparisons to MLK. I thought it was only a matter of time.

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    Obama getting a Nobel Peace Prize is utterly preposterous, even more so than Arafat, Begin, Sadat, and Kissinger receiving the Nobel Peace Prize.

    In Falcarius' opinion, if anyone was deserving an award for humanitarian reasons (be it the Nobel Peace Prize or any other) few are more so than Morgan Tsvangirai. Unlike Obama, Mr Tsvangirai has actually been threatened, stoned, nearly assassinated, and obstructed from becoming the head of state of his country in two rigged presidential elections. Despite all those things, he agreed to 'share' power with his nemesis as he thinks it is the right thing to do, in order to stop his country from sleepwalking into more anarchy and war.
    Quote Originally Posted by Thalassa View Post
    Oh our 3rd person reference to ourselves denotes nothing more than we realize we are epic characters on the forum.

    Narcissism, plain and simple.

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    I think these three posts sum up the dynamics of what is happening from different points of view.

    Quote Originally Posted by Little Linguist View Post
    The fact of the matter is: Until about 3 years ago, the US was the superpower of the world - and the only one. Now it is weaker than hell.

    So what do you do? You support the only man who MAY be able to keep the balance of power (sort of) and prevent a political vacuum from occurring that really no nation-state has the power or desire or possibility to fill.

    Essentially, this prize is European in nature. This was a way of Europe to say it supports the new leader - also in the hope that it changes something, but it really won't, so it's a waste of time anyway. But hell it's worth a shot, right?

    Probably this is the only preemptive peace prize - meaning the only one given BEFORE the peace came about - as a kind of a catalyst rather than a reaction to an improved situation.

    In that way, it's rather fascinating...but it certainly says something about our world right now.
    Quote Originally Posted by 01011010 View Post
    [youtube="IPkgC-mPO9c"]Nobel Q&A on Obama Win[/youtube]
    They know he hasn't done anything. They ARE doing it as an endorsement (and actually said so). They have done this sort of thing before, and will do it again.

    A quote for why they gave the award:
    "...committee wants to not only endorse but contribute to enhancing that kind of international policy and attitudes which he stands for"

    Little Linguist seems to have nailed the motivation for the award.

    But there is another take on it.

    Quote Originally Posted by YourLocalJesus View Post
    I think he deserves it more than most previous recipients, to be quite honest.
    Maybe it is because i'm not actually living in america, and I can see what difference he has made to the rest of the world.

    Seriously. Before he won the election, I <insert foul word for intercourse> hated the United States because of its foreign policy.
    I hated those Godawful republican values, corporate interests and israeli lobbyists running the state and general friction with just about every other country in the world.

    Now that Obama is president, the rest of us don't hate your collective guts so much anymore.
    Now, common people don't go around hoping that you'll get hit by nukes and perish in some large-scale apocalypse.
    Then we would have made North America into a large parking lot
    Trust me, many people were seriously afraid of the madmen you had running your government.

    Obama was seriously needed. Prize? Unnecessary, but well-deserved.

    If you're living in the U.S... Well, you might not notice what I mean in the same way.
    You might be more focused on whether you're republican or democrat.

    I also think he made a good decision pulling out of Iraq. That entire war was unnecessary, as you all know.
    Continuing fighting in Afghanistan... I don't know about that one.
    McCrystal and the boys say they need 40 000 more troops, and the situation for western military and the government they support is worse than ever.

    I don't like the Taliban or al-Qaida any more than anyone, in fact i'd fight them if I could.
    Instead of increased U.S. presence, NATO/EU and China should send more troops to aid both fighting and peacekeeping.
    Share the costs. Like you might have noticed, the U.S. isn't as rich as it believes.
    Cooperate. Exterminate a common enemy and become closer friends, hopefully.
    I think the central questions are:
    1) Will the committee's decision do anything to further Obama's international policy and attitudes? (It could do nothing or even back-fire).
    2) Is it a good thing, in this particular case, if Obama's international policy and attitudes are furthered?

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    I say backfire, ygolo. I say backfire.
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    I've already ranted out loud. I have no desire to do so on here. I will say this.

    Nobel Peace Prize

    Key word: PEACE

    Last I checked, we're still at war. In fact, under this administration, we've committed to it even more so.

    I have officially lost all faith in the human race. What a bunch of morons.

    I mean, seriously, the guy was nominated only 12 days after his election. Give me a break.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gewitter27 View Post
    Now... Just what did he do to deserve this prestigious award?

    I'm at a loss...
    Quote Originally Posted by avolkiteshvara View Post
    He deserves it.

    He has worked really hard. Plus he is the first black president.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ygolo View Post
    I think the central questions are:
    1) Will the committee's decision do anything to further Obama's international policy and attitudes? (It could do nothing or even back-fire).
    2) Is it a good thing, in this particular case, if Obama's international policy and attitudes are furthered?

    1: I bloody well hope they will, and that all goes well.
    2: Yes, it would be very nice, indeed. Obama is a socialist, and that's exactly what the conservative states of america needs.
    Many people don't like it, but your country will have to undergo some serious renovation.
    I hope that in twenty years, people will view things like republicanism as a thing of the past.
    A thing that contributed many good things a long, long time ago...
    But as of today, it furthers inequality.

    You can look at it this way: in the 1770s, republicanism was revolutionary.
    Those who stood up and fought for change, they were the radicals.
    Today, the republicans are conservatives.
    If the founding fathers had lived today, they would have been ashamed to see what has become of it all.
    One cannot simply go to a grinding halt with several centuries old politics.
    When change is needed, change comes.
    I have no idea how this backwards way of viewing one's fellow man has been allowed to stick around for so long in the christian right.
    How the hell does being a christian rhyme with being inhumane bastards who does everything to exploit others for their own benefit?

    Hell, Jesus was radical back in the day.
    What is, and what has always been the problem, is that there are lots of evil, ignorant and unscrupulous people out there who likes things to be left as they are...
    That way they can continue raping the people by hindering them from getting what is theirs: the product of their labor.
    The people deserve free education to the highest level.
    They deserve free quality healthcare that does not favor the man with the biggest wallet.
    The people producing all the goods, providing important services...
    They most certainly do not deserve having to live in a society where everything is governed by idiot people who hasn't done a single day's hard work in their lives.
    Yes, i'm talking about the funny economic system which must be regulated.
    The whole world suffered once again because some guys messed up while playing the money-game.

    Investment banking and privately owned banks should be made illegal, prices fixed and there should be one single world currency.
    I wonder what would happen if we forced the thieves and cons who call themselves bankers to take real jobs.

    Society lives upon production and service, not building air castles with money that doesn't exist.
    To place such importance upon the speculation of a few individuals only causes imbalance.
    Do you think the bankers suffer from this?
    No, not really. They still get their bonuses and their huge paychecks, despite the fact that they threw us into this economic crisis.
    Honestly, they should be taken out and shot, if anything.
    It is always the people who produce all the things that they live off who suffer.
    Unemployment isn't a bloody game, folks. It destroys lives, splits families and businesses.
    The world can't have that.

    Obama is a fresh breeze among those old farts. As you guys say, nothing much has happened. But even change takes time. Rome wasn't built in a day.
    Neither was America. It'll probably take a few decades to catch up with reality, but the U.S and the rest of the world will get there, if they learn from past mistakes.

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    Will someone please nominate ME for the next Nobel Peace Prize?

    I've been very peaceful. I've sat on my duff for several years of my life, and never fought anything very hard. You might say I've always relied on passive resistance. In fact, I've always complained about the competitive society we live in, and all the squabbling that occurs. I've done my best to promote peace through inaction. We all know that action is ultimately the cause of war, after all.

    I'm just saying...

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