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    Default New World Order/globalization, America's role in changing international power

    I have been seeing a lot of headlines around the phrase "new world order" and globalization lately. Mostly this has been in response to the global financial collapse (and certainly prior to the collapse), with many world leaders openly calling for greater regulations in the global economy and even proposals of consolidation and unification. What are your views on these matters? What do you think of the world's clamoring for joint global action, and what do you think are acceptable methods of dealing with it?

    The first barons of banking - The National Newspaper
    More about the Rothschilds- The Rothschilds and their 200 years of political influence - UK Politics, UK - The Independent
    An urbane man in his mid-60s, he says there is no single reason why the Rothschilds have been able to keep their financial business together, but offers a couple of suggestions for their longevity. “For a family business to survive, every generation needs a leader,” he says. “Then somebody has to keep the peace. Building a global firm before globalisation meant a mindset of sharing risk and responsibility. If you look at the DNA of our family, that is perhaps an element that runs through our history. Finally, don’t be complacent about giving the family jobs.”

    He stresses that the Rothschild ascent has not been linear – at times, as he did in Paris, they have had to rebuild. While he was restarting their business in France, his cousin Sir Evelyn was building a British franchise. When Sir Evelyn retired, the decision was taken to merge the businesses. They are now strong in Europe, Asia especially China, India, as well as Brazil. They also get involved in bankruptcy restructurings in the US, a franchise that will no doubt see a lot more activity in the months ahead.

    Does he expect governments to play a larger role in financial markets in future? “There is a huge difference in the Soviet-style mentality that occurred in Paris in 1982, and the extraordinary achievements that politicians, led by Gordon Brown and Nicolas Sarkozy, have made to save the global banking system from systemic collapse,” he says. “They moved to protect the world from billions of unemployment. In five to 10 years those banking stakes will be sold – and sold at a profit.”

    Baron Rothschild shares most people’s view that there is a new world order. In his opinion, banks will deleverage and there will be a new form of global governance. “But you have to be careful of caricatures: we don’t want to go from ultra liberalism to protectionism.”

    So how did the Rothschilds manage to emerge relatively unscathed from the financial meltdown? “You could say that we may have more insights than others, or you may look at the structure of our business,” he says. “As a family business, we want to limit risk. There is a natural pride in being a trusted adviser.”
    Washington Times - Financial crisis reshapes world order
    "In a very bizarre way, roles have been reversed in the global economy," said Alex Patelis, head of international economics at Merrill Lynch. "The typical troublemakers of the global economy, the emerging markets, are actually now the world's creditors.

    "We do need a new world financial order, and we will probably get one as a side effect of this crisis," he said. ...

    With China and other Asian markets supplying much of the liquidity that keeps the U.S. economy afloat, analysts say, the economic meltdown could signal a rearrangement of the pecking order at institutions like the IMF and World Bank that has been largely unchanged since the end of World War II.

    Robert B. Zoellick, the American head of the World Bank, argued explicitly last week for a larger "steering group" of countries to replace the long dominance of Western industrial powers at the World Bank and IMF.

    International Monetary Fund via Associated Press International Monetary Fund leaders (from second from left) John Lipsky, Dominique Strauss-Kahn, Youssef Boutros-Ghali and Shailendra Anjaria meet in Washington.

    "The G-7 is not working," he said. "We need a better group for a better time."

    Canadian Prime Minister Harper officially endorses North American Union

    Prince George Citizen
    October 3, 2008

    Prime Minister Stephen Harper’s appearance at the New York City based Council of Foreign Relations (CFR) on 25 September 2007, was an official endorsement and expression of solidarity on the North American Union agenda.

    Harvard University educated CNN Veteran anchor Lou Dobbs, has further confirmed the official endorsement of the Stephen Harper Minority Conservative government on North American Union, or “New America”.

    Mr. Harper has been apparently directed by the principal funders of the Conservative Party of Canada, which are ideologically linked to the CFR, to assimilate Canada into a new “Fortress North America” which is controlled by the U.S. political-military-industrial complex by no later than 2010.

    Building a ‘North American Community’

    Indeed, the Stephen Harper government has been reported to be in the process of getting various Canadian government departments and agencies to “harmonize”, with U.S. governmental agencies, to expedite the assimilation of Canada into the neo-conservative vision of a “Fortress North America”.
    The Council of Foreign Relations has indeed published a book on its North American Union manifesto entitled “Building a North American Community”.

    John Manley, former Deputy Prime Minister in the Paul Martin Liberal Government is a co-author of this book.

    Yes, my fellow Canadians, that is why Stephen Harper with ONLY a minority government, has been able to easily pursue North American Union, with what Mr. Lou Dobbs has referred to as a cabal at the CFR.

    Political party elites including those among the Liberals and Bloc Québécois, have apparently been all co-opted by the very wealthy Council of Foreign Relations.

    North American Union architects have used the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) to legitimate the take over of Canada by U.S. interests as a “logical outcome” of the terms of NAFTA.

    “When the leaders of Canada, Mexico, and the United States met in Texas recently they underscored the deep ties and shared principles of the three countries.

    ‘Security & Prosperity’

    The Council-sponsored Task Force applauds the announced “Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America,” but proposes a more ambitious vision of a new community by 2010 and specific recommendations on how to achieve it,” states the Official Press Release for the book Building a North American Community, which is published by the CFR.
    Mr. Harper’s speech at the CFR on 25 September 2007 affirms Mr. Harper’s Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America (SPPNA) commitment to hand over Canada to full control by no later than 2010, to a political fraternity which is associated with the current U.S. Bush administration. Mr. Harper’s government apparently reports to the CFR.

    In effect, the Government of Canada appears to be governed not from a sovereign Parliament in Ottawa, but run through a New York City-based political fraternity, which seeks to replace a democratic form of government, with the rule of society by a “Council of Wise Men”.

    The architects of such a fascistic government look upon their vision of society, to be much more “efficient” in dealing with the need to vanquish enemies, i.e. “terrorists”.

    ‘New World Order’

    A terrorist is broadly defined by the architects of the North American Union, as any individual or group which opposes the New World Order agenda.

    The CFR website also openly endorses the Conservative Party of Canada under Stephen Harper, alluding to his government having an alleged mandate to transform Canada substantively into a U.S. colony by implementing the recommendations of the CFR, book “Building a North American Community”.

    There is therefore clearly a working association between the Harper government and the CFR to implement and execute the NAU agenda of the book entitled “Building a North American Community”, whether Canadians like it or not.

    John Manley, former Liberal Deputy Prime Minister of Canada, who is part of an apparent Liberal-Conservative-Bloc parliamentary alliance on the SPPNA, also endorses the replacement of the Canada-U.S. border, with a new international border around Canada, the U.S., and also Mexico.

    “To make North America more competitive and secure, the three leaders should announce a plan to establish a North American security and economic community by 2010.

    The aim of this community would be to guarantee a free, safe, just and prosperous North America.

    The boundaries of the community would be defined by a common external tariff and an outer security perimeter, within which the movement of people and products would be legal, orderly and secure.” John Manley stipulated on 23 March 2005, in the Wall Street Journal, in the aftermath of his Liberal government’s support of SPPNA.

    Canadians who seek to save their country, must therefore seek to cancel NAFTA, as the legal basis for the greed-driven and fear associated pursuit of the destruction of Canada, under the pretext of the “War on Terrorism”.

    G20 summit: New world order? - Business Analysis & Features, Business - The Independent
    G20 summit: New world order?

    For Nicolas Sarkozy, President of France, it is a once-in-a-lifetime chance to remake the global financial architecture and usher in an era of "regulated capitalism". But beware the headlines that these leaders try to manufacture when they assemble for their credit crisis summit in Washington this weekend.

    What we have is a summit without an agenda, on a crisis without an agreed cause, in a country without a functioning government. The US – whose outgoing President agreed to hold the meeting under French pressure, and whose President-elect, keen to stress that the US has "only one president at a time", won't even be there – has already bristled at European talk of a creating new supra-national regulators and international rules.

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    Gordon Brown calls for new world order to beat recession - Telegraph
    Prime Minister Gordon Brown will today set out a five-point plan to create a "stronger and more just" world order in the wake of the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression.

    Mr Brown will call on fellow world leaders to use the current worldwide economic downturn as an opportunity to thoroughly reform international financial institutions and create a new "truly global society" with Britain, the US and Europe providing leadership.......

    Mr Brown will say that the Washington meeting must establish a consensus on a new Bretton Woods-style framework for the international financial system, featuring a reformed International Monetary Fund which will act as a global early-warning system for financial problems.

    He also wants agreement on a world trade deal and reform of the international financial system based on principles of "transparency, integrity, responsibility, sound banking practice and global governance with co-ordination across borders".

    In a speech to City financiers at the annual Lord Mayor's banquet in London he will say: "The British Government will begin to begin a new Bretton Woods with a new IMF that offers, by its surveillance of every economy, an early warning system and a crisis prevention mechanism for the whole world.

    "The alliance between Britain and the US, and more broadly between Europe and the US, can and must provide leadership, not in order to make the rules ourselves, but to [B]lead the global effort to build a stronger and more just international order.[B]

    "My message is that we must be internationalist not protectionist, interventionist not neutral, progressive not reactive and forward-looking not frozen by events. We can seize the moment and in doing so build a truly global society.".............

    The European Union has called for an overhaul of the IMF with French President Nicolas Sarkozy, whose country holds the EU's rotating presidency, saying: "We want to change the rules of the game".
    Moscow calls for anti-US alliance - World -
    THE President of Russia has called on Europe's leaders to create a new world order that would minimise the role of the United States...........

    In a speech delivered to European leaders at a conference hosted by the French President, Nicolas Sarkozy, to discuss the international financial crisis, Mr Medvedev sought to show that the US was at the root of all the world's problems. He blamed Washington's "economic egotism" for the world's financial woes and then accused the Bush Administration of taking Europe to the brink of a new cold war by pursuing a deliberately divisive foreign policy...........

    In order to end the "unipolar" model in which the world depended on the US, he proposed creating new financial systems to challenge the dominance of the International Monetary Fund and the World Trade Organisation, both of which had fallen under Washington's spell...............

    RT - 24/7 English-language news channel : Business : Medvedev calls for reform of world financial system
    Medvedev calls for reform of world financial system

    Until a couple of months ago, some economists argued Russia’s robust growth of recent years had effectively "decoupled" it from a direct correlation with the US economy. While the financial crisis proves the theory wrong, the Russian government is insisting on a new world order...........

    As world leaders try to deal with the biggest financial crisis since the Great Depression, President Dmitry Medvedev is echoing his French and British counterparts in calling for far reaching changes to the world financial system.

    “We will need a new international agreement. The financial system must have common sources, which implies a multiplicity of world financial centres and reserve currencies. We need to form a new risk-management system,which would be based on new techniques, not the principles that the Bretton Woods agreement was based on,” Medvedev said.

    In the 70s, the Nixon administration unilaterally untied the dollar from gold, making the dollar itself a reserve currency.

    Now Medvedev is essentially calling for a lowered dependence on the dollar, according to experts. They say it would reduce U.S. influence on the world economy...................

    While the need to overhaul the global financial system seems obvious, what order might replace it remains unclear.

    The world will be watching the G-20 meeting in Washington in mid-November, which will be the first to bring together the developed and the developing nations, for the answers.
    Global Financial Regulatory Body on the Way?
    This last was replaced in the mid-1990s by the WTO, a full-fledged global trade ministry — what the organizers of Bretton Woods wanted back in 1944, but found to be politically unfeasible. The Bretton Woods organizers, especially the British and American delegations, also wanted a single global monetary unit (John Maynard Keynes proposed calling it the bancor, and the Americans countered with the unitas). But what they got instead was the dollar as a de facto international currency to which all other currencies were convertible.

    It's likely that a Bretton Woods II will generate proposals for an international financial regulatory body, a counterpart to the WTO. A single world currency issued by a global central bank is another likely project, especially given that those agitating most forcefully for the conference, the EU leaders, have already successfully created the world's first transnational central bank (the Frankfurt-based European Central Bank) and the world's first transnational currency (the euro).

    Wherever and whenever the upcoming financial conference is held, it will be used to wage war on America's (and the rest of the world's) financial sovereignty, to bring to fruition the long-cherished schemes of Keynes and others for a utopian new world financial order.

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    I'm confused now. I thought you were one of the ones who was for Corporate Global Goverance? Forgive me if I was wrong...

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    The Canadian government website also has a document from 2001 that details an "Amero" currency to replace the USD.

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    People who are for greater centralization of power live in a fantasy world if they think that's a good thing. That will only lead to greater corruption.
    "We grow up thinking that beliefs are something to be proud of, but they're really nothing but opinions one refuses to reconsider. Beliefs are easy. The stronger your beliefs are, the less open you are to growth and wisdom, because "strength of belief" is only the intensity with which you resist questioning yourself. As soon as you are proud of a belief, as soon as you think it adds something to who you are, then you've made it a part of your ego."

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    If entropie or some other gadget-man invents the lightsaber we might get our own sith lords if we centralize power a little!

    Mightier than the tread of marching armies is the power of an idea whose time has come

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    Here's a segment of the Glenn Beck show where he talks about the G20 meeting they had over the weekend, and the comparisons that were made to a "Breton Woods 3" (can't remember if I posted any of the articles that mentioned it or not). While they haven't come out with anything over the top or definite plans (thank God), they were still making proposals like a new global reserve currency. This subject is mainly covered in the first 20 minutes of the audio, though the whole 30 minutes is worth listening to.

    Glenn Beck - The Glenn Beck Program - Nov 17 2008 - Hour 1 - Free MP3 Stream on IMEEM Music

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