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    On Behalf Of Environmentalists, I Apologize For The Climate Scare

    A climate change activist/environmentalist comes clean and admits that he misled the public for decades.

    But as an energy expert asked by Congress to provide objective expert testimony, and invited by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) to serve as Expert Reviewer of its next Assessment Report, I feel an obligation to apologize for how badly we environmentalists have misled the public.
    Here are some facts few people know:

    Humans are not causing a “sixth mass extinction”

    The Amazon is not “the lungs of the world”

    Climate change is not making natural disasters worse

    Fires have declined 25% around the world since 2003

    The amount of land we use for meat — humankind’s biggest use of land — has declined by an area nearly as large as Alaska

    The build-up of wood fuel and more houses near forests, not climate change, explain why there are more, and more dangerous, fires in Australia and California

    Carbon emissions are declining in most rich nations and have been declining in Britain, Germany, and France since the mid-1970s

    Netherlands became rich not poor while adapting to life below sea level

    We produce 25% more food than we need and food surpluses will continue to rise as the world gets hotter

    Habitat loss and the direct killing of wild animals are bigger threats to species than climate change
    Why didn't this jerk speak up earlier?

    But mostly I was scared. I remained quiet about the climate disinformation campaign because I was afraid of losing friends and funding. The few times I summoned the courage to defend climate science from those who misrepresent it I suffered harsh consequences. And so I mostly stood by and did next to nothing as my fellow environmentalists terrified the public.
    Boo hooo. It's a little late buddy. People like you have ruined millions of lives by supporting stupid climate change policies. I hope you and your ilk get run over by an angry donkey.

    See, I was right all along.
    Let's see: a bunch of young people rioted and protested 3 weeks ago and now we're seeing spikes in coronavirus in young people. I wonder if it's just a coincidence.

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    Of course you aren't disclosing that Environmental Progress is a pro-nuclear group founded by Michael Shellenberger.

    Michael Shellenberger - Wikipedia

    Pro-nuclear group targets Chicago environmental organization | Energy News Network

    So weird that virtually no one other than right wing quacks and pseudo-scientists agree with him.

    You should go work for the Trump administration. Your shit sources would be welcomed there.
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    Either the facts presented are real or not. Attacking the messenger is just sloppy thinking. Every time, there is a major brush fire here in California, the Dem politicians scream "climate change". Every time, there is a major hurricane, lefty pundits scream "climate change" on cable news shows. There is ZERO science to back up their claims and they all know it. They're just like this Shellenberger person, lying to achieve an end.
    Let's see: a bunch of young people rioted and protested 3 weeks ago and now we're seeing spikes in coronavirus in young people. I wonder if it's just a coincidence.

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    Just in case anyone doesn't already know this, The Heartland Institute is the world leader in the denial business in the US and has been for nearly 40 years. First it was the dangers of smoking and second hand smoke then full bore on climate change denial and would be classified as eco-fascists. Funded by fossil fuel groups and the usual suspects of conservative industrialists and wealthy families. Competitive Enterprise Institute and The George C. Marshall Institute are in the same business.

    Heartland Institute - Wikipedia

    For the people that spout a lot of climate change denial rhetoric, it's almost always loaded with loony right wing libertarian key words and phrases and even have five stages of denial. Of course the fifth stage is that it's too late to do anything so even if it's real it doesn't matter. Which was always the point of the billions and billions that have been dumped into trying to convince people there is no ecological disruption squeezing the globe.

    Why would they need to work so hard and spend so much money if climate change actually was false? There would be visible evidence and all science pointing to climate change would be easily debunked.
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    Carbon emissions are declining in most rich nations and have been declining in Britain, Germany, and France since the mid-1970s
    Thank Emissions Standards for that.

    the fact he failed to note that more stringent emissions standards arose in these rich nations beginning in the mid-70s is very misleading.

    He certainly has an economic motive...he has his Audio CDs at sixty bucks a pop.

    If the "facts" speak for itself he wouldn't need to hype himself as a former "lifelong environmental activist"...however true it is.

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    A lot of fires are caused by Liberal policies, preventing the safe removal of brush from high risk areas such as powerlines. All for "green" areas. Same thing happened in Australia. You have to thin the trees, and remove underbrush because the climate is arid, and dry. It burns super easy.

    A lot of climate change science is supported by capitalists who want to monopolize green energy, nuclear energy etc. Everyone wants to be the new Elon Musk. Follow the money to find out who is behind it. Governments are not exempt from being bamboozled by global capitalists. It is nof as bad, or as important as they make it out to be.

    The climate is far too complex to be fixed with the reduced emissions of a single gas as well. On top of it not mattering anyways due to India, Africa, and China being disgusting polluters of the enviroment and the main source of Co2 as well as trash in the ocean. All that CO2 reduction in the west, yet "climate change" is getting worse by the year? Doesn't make sense to blame the west.

    The best thing we can do for the world is force India, Africa, and China to clean up the enviroment.
    The beginning of the end is beginning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ceecee View Post
    Of course you aren't disclosing that Environmental Progress is a pro-nuclear group founded by Michael Shellenberger. Michael Shellenberger - Wikipedia Pro-nuclear group targets Chicago environmental organization | Energy News Network So weird that virtually no one other than right wing quacks and pseudo-scientists agree with him. You should go work for the Trump administration. Your shit sources would be welcomed there.
    Complaining about political bias while being the most politically biased person in the room is hilarious irony of the highest order.

    That link you posted? Completely funded by left wing quacks. The rules of your own game are self defeating. Just thought you should know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anticlimatic View Post
    Complaining about political bias while being the most politically biased person in the room is hilarious irony of the highest order.

    That link you posted? Completely funded by left wing quacks. The rules of your own game are self defeating. Just thought you should know.
    You are seriously obsessed with my posts, I think you should get some help for that. Maybe put me on ignore or something until you can get in to see a therapist.
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    I did once called the environmentalists as "eco-borings", because I thought their alarmism did make all of our lives extremely boring with their measures.

    However, even if I am too lazy to just point any of them, there are dozens of sources stating that the planet is getting hotter than it was before, and that climate is changing is something that should be obvious on this point. What isnt obvious and extremely complicated to determinate is whatever and how much humanity plays a role into global warming.

    There are just three scenarios: Either humanity has nothing to do with it - planet would be getting hotter without us and with the dinosaurs OR humanity is very responsible for it OR a mix of both.

    Even if humanity has nothing to do with it, it will impact our lives: Oceans rising and things getting hotter are going to indeed change human life as we know.
    The most logical solution taking the next generation in account is to consider the hypothesis where there is an impact caused by humans and doing the measures to counter it, because at least the bad impact of global warm wont be on humanity shoulder. At best, measures are going to stable the climate; At worst, they wont work but at least there was a shot.

    However, putting some traditional selfishism in the middle, the most logical solution is screw next generation ('boomers' here and perhaps in the US seems to be a subscriber to that in lots of times) and lets take the best of our life in the expense of others future, which is something, well, quite typical.

    Anyway, I wouldnt be that surprised if someone actually say "no, there is actually evidence and very strong reasoning that humanity is causing it" and I would even be on a conspiracionist side for even considering the hypothesis that humanity has nothing to do with it - but that would not change my conclusion (that the most reasonable and even "ethicable" path is to care about it and do some measures).

    PS: The timeline for earth is very slow when compared to our lives. Or our lives are extremely tiny when compared to earth timeline. That means that these changes are quite slow. I dont think its much about our children future, but further generations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maou View Post
    A lot of fires are caused by Liberal policies, preventing the safe removal of brush from high risk areas such as powerlines. All for "green" areas. Same thing happened in Australia. You have to thin the trees, and remove underbrush because the climate is arid, and dry. It burns super easy.

    A lot of climate change science is supported by capitalists who want to monopolize green energy, nuclear energy etc. Everyone wants to be the new Elon Musk. Follow the money to find out who is behind it. Governments are not exempt from being bamboozled by global capitalists. It is nof as bad, or as important as they make it out to be.

    The climate is far too complex to be fixed with the reduced emissions of a single gas as well. On top of it not mattering anyways due to India, Africa, and China being disgusting polluters of the enviroment and the main source of Co2 as well as trash in the ocean. All that CO2 reduction in the west, yet "climate change" is getting worse by the year? Doesn't make sense to blame the west.

    The best thing we can do for the world is force India, Africa, and China to clean up the enviroment.
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