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Political Compass 2020

yeghor

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LOL, I'm not an anarcho-capitalist.

My distribution on the chart might very well be wrong.

Which ideology on the chart do you find yourself closest to?

If you play DnD or Fantasy MMORPG, which character class/profession do you find yourself closest to?
 

Julius_Van_Der_Beak

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My distribution on the chart might very well be wrong.

Which ideology on the chart do you find yourself closest to?

If you play DnD or Fantasy MMORPG, which character class/profession do you find yourself closest to?

Democratic Socialism. I'm not entirely against authority and for that reason I don't consider myself an anarchist. How do you, for example, protect nature under an anarchist framework? I haven't really felt like anarchists have a good answer for this. I've known anarchists to object to the use of signs expressing prohibitions on public land and seemed to be uncomfortable with the government exercising authority in this regard, comparing it to the royal forests of medieval times. But how would you prevent corporations from going in and extracting resources from these places and destroying ecosystems in the process without government? The ones I spoke to didn't have an answer for that.
 

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Democratic Socialism. I'm not entirely against authority and for that reason I don't consider myself an anarchist. How do you, for example, protect nature under an anarchist framework? I haven't really felt like anarchists have a good answer for this. I've known anarchists to object to the use of signs expressing prohibitions on public land and seemed to be uncomfortable with the government exercising authority in this regard, comparing it to the royal forests of medieval times. But how would you prevent corporations from going in and extracting resources from these places and destroying ecosystems in the process without government? The ones I spoke to didn't have an answer for that.

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Hypatia

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I believe now that at least theoretically, progressivism seems to trump social democraticism as a viable long-term socio-political model because it seems to grant more decision-making power to more people!
 

yeghor

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Democratic Socialism. I'm not entirely against authority and for that reason I don't consider myself an anarchist. How do you, for example, protect nature under an anarchist framework? I haven't really felt like anarchists have a good answer for this. I've known anarchists to object to the use of signs expressing prohibitions on public land and seemed to be uncomfortable with the government exercising authority in this regard, comparing it to the royal forests of medieval times. But how would you prevent corporations from going in and extracting resources from these places and destroying ecosystems in the process without government? The ones I spoke to didn't have an answer for that.

1) "Democratic Socialism" : That places you closer to INFP (Druid) on the chart. In that vein, I find it interesting that you chose to use "nature/environmental protection" as an example.

"Druids are also concerned with the delicate ecological balance that sustains plant and animal life, and the need for civilized folk to live in harmony with nature, not in opposition to it. Druids accept that which is cruel in nature, and they hate that which is unnatural, including aberrations (such as beholders and mind flayers) and undead (such as zombies and vampires). Druids sometimes lead raids against such creatures, especially when the monsters encroach on the druids’ territory."

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2) "How do you, for example, protect nature under an anarchist framework?" : The anarchists assume that interest groups will form and clash against each other to protect their respective interests. I guess they assume that these groups will form temporarily and persist until the issue is resolved and then dissolve themselves. Without a referee (the state) I believe that would turn into a bloodbath sooner or later.

3) I think the anarchist concept of nature preservation is embodied in permaculture concept. Minimum intervention in nature and cultivation.
 

Julius_Van_Der_Beak

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1) "Democratic Socialism" : That places you closer to INFP (Druid) on the chart. In that vein, I find it interesting that you chose to use "nature/environmental protection" as an example.

"Druids are also concerned with the delicate ecological balance that sustains plant and animal life, and the need for civilized folk to live in harmony with nature, not in opposition to it. Druids accept that which is cruel in nature, and they hate that which is unnatural, including aberrations (such as beholders and mind flayers) and undead (such as zombies and vampires). Druids sometimes lead raids against such creatures, especially when the monsters encroach on the druids’ territory."

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I think the Tragedy of the Commons is a real concern, and so you need some kind of rules, and authority to enforce them, to manage those Commons.

2) "How do you, for example, protect nature under an anarchist framework?" : The anarchists assume that interest groups will form and clash against each other to protect their respective interests. I guess they assume that these groups will form temporarily and persist until the issue is resolved and then dissolve themselves. Without a referee (the state) I believe that would turn into a bloodbath sooner or later.

3) I think the anarchist concept of nature preservation is embodied in permaculture concept. Minimum intervention in nature and cultivation.

Hmmm, but that won't work in a society with megacorporations who can say, poison the water upstream. Even if you won the land you're on, you aren't protected from that kind of thing without some kind of government.
 

yeghor

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I think the Tragedy of the Commons is a real concern, and so you need some kind of rules, and authority to enforce them, to manage those Commons.

Yes a referee (elders council etc) is needed.

Hmmm, but that won't work in a society with megacorporations who can say, poison the water upstream. Even if you won the land you're on, you aren't protected from that kind of thing without some kind of government.

Anarchists assume that every member of the society would act as an anarchist, will remain individualistic and will not form permanent power groups, hence megacorporations will not arise. The problem is that there will always be members of society who are inclined to collectivism, forming collective structures and thereby accumulating power/resources.
 

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I think the Tragedy of the Commons is a real concern, and so you need some kind of rules, and authority to enforce them, to manage those Commons.



Hmmm, but that won't work in a society with megacorporations who can say, poison the water upstream. Even if you won the land you're on, you aren't protected from that kind of thing without some kind of government.

Externalities, the norm of any conceivable economy, competition and consumer sovereignty cant govern them alone.
 

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I believe now that at least theoretically, progressivism seems to trump social democraticism as a viable long-term socio-political model because it seems to grant more decision-making power to more people!

Council communism, autonomous socialism, guild socialism, participatory economics, there's a bunch of varieties of socialism that grant way, way more decision-making power to more people than "progressivism" or "social democraticism".

The sorts of personal responsibility in unlimited socialism or unlimited capitalism, both of which in theory eschew elitism, exclusion and exclusivity in decision making or sovereignty, I'm not sure are actually possible anymore. For different reasons. It used to be typical of a few elites, at least in the english speaking world, who were privileged and could preserve it to themselves and their house. I'm not sure that the elites and the masses dont share a lack of these traits now.
 

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I took the iSideWith and most aligned with the Transhumanist Party of America. Based.
 

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Why do you always go for niche ideologies that thrive in hard to reach crevices?
I don't. My answers were pretty middle of the road. I've always thought of myself as closest to radical centrism, if such a position even exists. I have some very "left" positions, but a few that some would classify as more moderate or "right" which probably pull me from far left to center-left.

There's nothing inherently niche or crazy about geolibertarianism or transhumanism. Once you are familiar with them, they are apparent as logical, moderate paths.
 

yeghor

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I don't. My answers were pretty middle of the road. I've always thought of myself as closest to radical centrism, if such a position even exists. I have some very "left" positions, but a few that some would classify as more moderate or "right" which probably pull me from far left to center-left.

There's nothing inherently niche or crazy about geolibertarianism or transhumanism. Once you are familiar with them, they are apparent as logical, moderate paths.
They feel like highly customized leather biker jackets to me, underneath it is still just a leather jacket :)

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