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Trump vs. Biden

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Donald is a fucking lunatic.



Trump conceded on Friday that he would let others decide whether to allow the passengers to leave the Grand Princess, where 35 people have reported flu-like symptoms. Trump appeared to explicitly acknowledge his political concerns about the outbreak, saying: 'I don’t need to have the numbers double because of one ship that wasn’t our fault'

Seriously, throw this guy off a cliff. All he gives a shit about is his image.
 

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I cant believe anyone supports Biden, this is proof that people rather have a dementia ridden candidate, than a socialist.
 

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Basically the Biden's only chance is to scare enough people with Trump, so that they vote against Trump. In policy talking points he doesn't have too much of a chance in current climate, he just has to be careful not to alienate too many people. Plus unlike Bernie he has a decent shoot in places like Florida or North Carolina.
 

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I cant believe anyone supports Biden, this is proof that people rather have a dementia ridden candidate, than a socialist.
Rather, it is proof that people prefer a dementia-ridden grandpa to an evil clown.
 

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Regardless of who is elected or re-elected in November, it's a very good possibility they won't finish their term. So all eyes should really be on the VP candidates. Normally I do not think VP candidates have a huge effect on the popular vote, but this time they could make or break a campaign.
 

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Joe Biden Tweet said:
Get real, Bernie. The only person who's going to cut Social Security if he's elected is Donald Trump. Maybe you should spend your time attacking him.


;)
 

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I don't think Bernie wants to divide the party. I think he really wanted to be nominee because I think he genuinely hates Trump and wanted to defeat him in November. While it stings him that more voters aren't seeing him as the person to achieve that, I think he genuinely wants whoever is nominee to destroy Trump. To that end, when he warns Biden that he needs to acknowledge the progressives who supported Bernie (as well as those progressives who compromised to support Biden out of a fear of Trump winning), he isn't threatening to keep those voters from supporting Biden, he is warning that even though he will support Biden, he can't control how his supporters will choose to vote in November. A genuine reach out effort to those progressive voters by Biden will mean more of them are likely to unify behind Joe. That is what Bernie wants and it sucks people are willing to blame him if a fraction of his supporters don't get behind Joe.

So it is disappointing that Bernie's warnings to Biden and the centrists are being spun as an attempt to divide. Remember, he practically begged his supporters to get behind Clinton in 2016. He isn't trying to fracture the democratic party, he's trying to save it so it can save America from Trump. For all Biden's and the moderates' lip service about compromising, I think Bernie is actually showing he is willing to compromise to stop Trump. I hope Joe will take this seriously and try to include the left of the party in his movement. He has to realize that a lot of the people who voted him to victory in the primaries have been progressives willing to compromise their own values if it means stopping trump. So let's see him meet those voters at least halfway. They gave him a lot and he needs to repay the favor to them and not just to his centrist base.

Despite my earlier statements, I am considering holding my nose and supporting Biden with a vote in November. It will depend on whether his attempts to reach out to and compromise with the progressives will be genuine or lip service. Too many democratic candidates in the last 40 years have worried about reaching out to moderate republicans that I feel they've lost sight of the core democratic values that defined the party's platform from the thirties to the early seventies. They became decaff republicans. At this point, they need to stop worrying about those mythical on-the-fence republicans and start unifying the actual democrats who lost faith in the party leadership after decades of being all but ignored. They are more than just a few jaded millennial Bernie bros. Don't write them off again, Joe.
 

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True, but your country doesn't choose presidents by popular vote. Therefore this isn't always the best picture to look at.
Just focusing on a few swing states would perhaps provide a better picture.

It doesn't, you're right, and when there are enough swing-state polls to put into a similar format I'll do so. At this point, it's the best metric we have to compare the 2020 and 2016 elections.
 

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Okay, at this point anyone who supports Biden would rather have someone who cannot even remember his own name, talks to the wall, and mumbles...over Trump... is just plain insane. At least in your opinion, Trump can fucking function as a government branch, even if you disagree with his policies. If Biden was in charge, it would literally collapse or he just does whatever his overlords tell him to do. God help him if he ever had to address the nation. He is not gonna win the election though, and the debate will prove that. If he even bothers to debate Trump. Electing Biden will be like putting a 5 year old in charge of everything, who cannot even talk. He would be a literal corpse on strings. But maybe that is their plan. His VP will take over if he wins. Your face when, it is Clinton.
 

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Okay, at this point anyone who supports Biden would rather have someone who cannot even remember his own name, talks to the wall, and mumbles...over Trump... is just plain insane. At least in your opinion, Trump can fucking function as a government branch, even if you disagree with his policies. If Biden was in charge, it would literally collapse or he just does whatever his overlords tell him to do. God help him if he ever had to address the nation. He is not gonna win the election though, and the debate will prove that. If he even bothers to debate Trump. Electing Biden will be like putting a 5 year old in charge of everything, who cannot even talk. He would be a literal corpse on strings. But maybe that is their plan. His VP will take over if he wins. Your face when, it is Clinton.



Well if after everything they put Clinton as VP they are going to lose for sure.
I also don't know where DNC lives since Biden openly said he would block medicare for all. I mean even if you think this you shouldn't say that in the open. With that line he almost surely heavily alienated at least a few million of potential voters. Also on trade and wars Trump will probably hammer him badly since American workers can't really survive this kind of globalization. The guy said into camera some even more awkward things than Trump ... who is "spiced up" person for sure. He is also older than Trump and he didn't even start his first term. Not exactly a winning ticket once you remove yourself from the core of the democratic party.


I don't really get it either. Out of 300+ million people that they can't find someone better.
 

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Well if after everything they put Clinton as VP they are going to lose for sure.
I also don't know where DNC lives since Biden openly said he would block medicare for all. I mean even if you think this you shouldn't say that in the open. With that line he almost surely heavily alienated at least a few million of potential voters. Also on trade and wars Trump will probably hammer him badly since American workers can't really survive this kind of globalization. The guy said into camera some even more awkward things than Trump ... who is "spiced up" person for sure. He is also older than Trump and he didn't even start his first term. Not exactly a winning ticket once you remove yourself from the core of the democratic party.


I don't really get it either. Out of 300+ million people that they can't find someone better.

They cant find anyone better, because they choose who they want to win and prop them up, instead of actually being fair. Then change the DNC rules to get who they want in. They literally use the media as well, it is a fucking scam. They did it all through 2016 as well. Berni bros feeling the same shit Trump supporters have felt. And before that, Ron Paul.

Also, did Tulsi Gabbard drop out? People should vote for her.
 

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Biden said:
I would veto anything that delays providing the security and the certainty of health care being available now.

As well he should, unless he is a reckless moron trying to kill people like Trump:

THE FACTS: People with preexisting medical problems have health insurance protections because of President Barack Obama’s health care law, which Trump is trying to dismantle. If you can believe it, while he's trying to dismantle it, he's lying to people about being the one who "saved" pre-existing conditions. Trump’s administration has been pressing in court for full repeal of the Obama-era law, including provisions that protect people with preexisting conditions from health insurance discrimination. Before the Affordable Care Act, any insurer could deny coverage — or charge more — to anyone with a preexisting condition who was seeking to buy an individual policy.

It's as insane as someone trying to drain your 401K plan all the way down to zero while telling you they're 'fighting for your retirement'.

Source: AP FACT CHECK: No, Trump didn't save preexisting conditions

Biden said:
My opposition relates to whether or not, A, it’s doable, two, what the cost is, and what the consequences for the rest of the budget are,” Biden said.“How are you going to find $35 trillion over the next 10 years without having profound impacts on everything from taxes for middle class and working class people as well as the impact on the rest of the budget?” he asked.

Uh, oh. Look out, a logical thinker looking at future implications. Run now!
 

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Former British PM, Tony Blair was on Fareed Zakaria's show on CNN this morning. He says the Labour Party lost big because there isn't the appetite for the sort of "revolution" that Bernie's talking about. He says it's the same sort of talk that was going on in the UK before the election.
 

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Okay, at this point anyone who supports Biden would rather have someone who cannot even remember his own name, talks to the wall, and mumbles...over Trump... is just plain insane.
That's the majority of people in America, the greatest country on earth.
 

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That's the majority of people in America, the greatest country on earth.

Yeah, nah. Democrats do not care who they vote for as long it has a D next to their name. Also, their turn out is worse than the current turnout for Trump. And those people didn't even have to vote.

Get out of your bubble Nico. More people identify as Independant or Conservative, than Liberal.
 
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