Trump vs. Biden

[dunce]

National guard has been mobilized in all the swing states and Illinois among others. Indication the election is rigged or that they're not sure if trump will win yet? Either way not a good look for democrats. Shows the violent underbelly of Antifa.

 

[ceecee]

National guard has been mobilized in all the swing states and Illinois among others. Indication the election is rigged or that they're not sure if trump will win yet? Either way not a good look for democrats. Shows the violent underbelly of Antifa.

It's amazing how well you illustrated exactly what my post was about.

 

[Stigmata]

National guard has been mobilized in all the swing states and Illinois among others. Indication the election is rigged or that they're not sure if trump will win yet? Either way not a good look for democrats. Shows the violent underbelly of Antifa.

 

[dunce]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2020/11/02/national-guard-unrest-election/

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

People on my FB feed are reporting long lines, indicating high turn out even on Election day. At least one of those folks lives in Pennsylvania. [squeaky, scratchy voice]My date to the prom actually. [/squeaky, scratchy voice]

Anyway, I'm cutting myself from all non-streaming audio/video internet henceforth. See you guys further down the trail.

 

[Z Buck McFate]

That WaPo article doesn't mention Antifa. Nor do any intelligence agencies in any reports about recent (and estimated forthcoming) domestic violence. They do mention white supremacists and right extremists though.

Of all the things that aren't really happening, violent unrest by Antifa isn't happening the most.

 

[Jaguar]

Harris County ballots update:

The plaintiffs in the case — Houston conservative activist Steve Hotze and a handful of GOP candidates — appealed the decision to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 5th Circuit. Early Tuesday morning, the appeals court denied the motion. Crazy Steve lost the appeal.

I decided to find out who Steve Hotze is:

"Kill 'em": Houston GOP powerbroker Steve Hotze left Greg Abbott a voicemail requesting that National Guard "shoot to kill" rioters

Steve Hotze asked Texas Gov. Greg Abbott to order rioters to be killed | The Texas Tribune

"I want you to give a message to the governor," Hotze told Abbott's chief of staff, Luis Saenz, in a voicemail. "I want to make sure that he has National Guard down here and they have the order to shoot to kill if any of these son-of-a-bitch people start rioting like they have in Dallas, start tearing down businesses — shoot to kill the son of a bitches. That’s the only way you restore order. Kill 'em. Thank you."

 

[ceecee]

These Black Men Were Used in a Trump Ad Without Their Consent

In a last-ditch effort to sway Black voters, Trump released an attack ad linking Joe Biden’s old tough-on-crime rhetoric to laws that have disproportionately affected minorities and contributed to mass incarceration.

The 30-second commercial, broadcast nationwide during NFL football on Sunday and on the BET network, features several young Black men gazing solemnly into the camera as Biden rails about crime, suggesting the men either support Trump or were directly impacted by bills that Biden helped pass during his time in the Senate.

Wade and Watts are two of the men in Trump’s ad. They suspect they were filmed while covering the Tulsa rally, and say their images were used without their consent.

I am SHOCKED.

 

[Virtual ghost]

2020 General Election Early Vote Statistics

Over night final data came into the mix and now the country has 72.8% of the whole 2016 vote.
Plus since now the situation is really "it is what it is" I will make a full list.



Early vote as the percentage of the whole 2016.


Hawaii: 110.6%
Texas: 108.3%
Washington 105.4%
Montana: 102.4%
New Mexico: 97.3%
Nevada: 96.7%
Oregon: 95.8%
Colorado: 95.8%
North Carolina: 95.4%
Florida: 94.7%
Georgia: 93.9%
Arizona: 92.9%
Tennessee: 89.6%
New Jersey: 88.7%
Utah: 87.6%
California: 82.8%
Vermont: 79.6%
Maryland: 77.6%
Kentucky: 77.1%
Arkansas: 75.1%
North Dakota: 71.9%
Massachusetts: 69.3%
Virginia: 69.2%
Rhode Island: 65.1%
Wisconsin: 64.7%
Maine: 64.9%
Illinois: 63.3%
Kansas: 62.8%
South Carolina: 61.7%
Indiana: 61%
Iowa: 60.5%
Michigan: 58.3%
Minnesota: 57.8%
Nebraska: 56.1%
Idaho: 56%
Ohio: 53.5%
South Dakota: 53.4%
Wyoming: 50.8%
New York: 48.1%
Louisiana: 47.7%
Alaska: 47.5
Missouri: 40.9%
Pennsylvania: 40.7%
Connecticut: 37.9%
Delaware: 33.3%
Oklahoma 30.6%
New Hampshire: 24%
Mississippi: 19.1%
West Virginia: 19%
Alabama: 14.1






So to conclude my argument I will say that I don't really see polls as the too convincing argument for democratic win. Because if you go state by state many swing states are within margin of error or fairly close to it. What in combination with various factors can make sure that many of those go red. However this high turn out in some places shows that the polls could be massively wrong since the way how and when people vote has changed to certain degree. What is opening the question that standard polling methodologies may not be fully valid here. Especially since it seems that the general sense of chaos is bringing out a fair amount of people that are generally none voters. Which is exactly why I will not post some kind of final version of the map, because there is no real educated guess in the terms of details. In other words if unhappy none voters are the ones that are driving the turnout this will be blue landslide all over the map. While if this is it for the most part in swing states the election is probably closer to toss up zone and what the state polls are saying.



Therefore this is pretty much it when it comes to this campaign season.

 

[Siúil a Rúin]

National guard has been mobilized in all the swing states and Illinois among others. Indication the election is rigged or that they're not sure if trump will win yet? Either way not a good look for democrats. Shows the violent underbelly of Antifa.

Who mobilized the National Guard? It's not a good look for Trump. He is the one choosing to gear up for violence and why? No need if he just leaves office.

It's Trump who has his Proud Boys standing by. It's Trump that motivated the White Supremecists to attack small businesses in the riots (many minority owned). Show me the reality of Antifa? Show me their faces, their names, their neighbors? People are so suckered by the media that it can invent an entire group and no one even needs to check in with reality.

I even think Trump instilled the violence towards the police so he could act as their savior. I think he has zero intention of leaving the White House and is going to attempt to overthrow the U.S. government if he is outvoted. He need forces and he has the extremist militias, now is attempting to garner the loyalty of the police (and has in Florida which is pure strategy), and then he probably has access to the hired militias.

The National Guard and the U.S. military are what is left. If they support Biden, then we may have a civil war. If they support Trump, then we see the end of the democratic process and Emperor Blowhard (thanks to Z Buck's naming) will be an actuality.

Yes you can complain about Biden, and no one is worshipping him the way they worship Trump. Most Biden supporters maintain objectivity and criticism of the details of his choices and will continue to do this. They don't paint Jesus floating around him, they don't think he is saving humanity from the reptilians, they don't think he is a religious leader that understandably fucks porn stars. Biden supporters are not in a hyped up love affair with him, but generally have a more normal critical review.

 

[dunce]

Who mobilized the National Guard? It's not a good look for Trump. He is the one choosing to gear up for violence and why? No need if he just leaves office. It's Trump who has his Proud Boys standing by. It's Trump that motivated the White Supremecists to attack small businesses in the riots (many minority owned). Show me the reality of Antifa? Show me their faces, their names, their neighbors? People are so suckered by the media that it can invent an entire group and no one even needs to check in with reality. I even think Trump instilled the violence towards the police so he could act as their savior. I think he has zero intention of leaving the White House and is going to attempt to overthrow the U.S. government if he is outvoted. He need forces and he has the extremist militias, now is attempting to garner the loyalty of the police (and has in Florida which is pure strategy), and then he probably has access to the hired militias. The National Guard and the U.S. military are what is left. If they support Biden, then we may have a civil war. If they support Trump, then we see the end of the democratic process and Emperor Blowhard (thanks to Z Buck's naming) will be an actuality. Yes you can complain about Biden, and no one is worshipping him the way they worship Trump. Most Biden supporters maintain objectivity and criticism of the details of his choices and will continue to do this. They don't paint Jesus floating around him, they don't think he is saving humanity from the reptilians, they don't think he is a religious leader that understandably fucks porn stars. Biden supporters are not in a hyped up love affair with him, but generally have a more normal critical review.

i think you have a misunderstanding of how the national guard works. It's not an arm of the executive branch per se like in other countries. For the guard to be mobilizing it means that it's been encouraged and supported by both political parties and thus far all the damage and rioting has been mostly from the left in overwhelming numbers. The president is not like a king or a monarch. He has very little powe compared to the senate and house.

maybe you are projecting the religious fervor of your hatred for the fat orange man on to people who just don't want to pay higher taxes to an already corrupt beauracry?

 

[Z Buck McFate]

Lol.

(eta) I wonder how big a branch of psychology will eventually be devoted exclusively to parsing out the "orange man bad/TDS" phenomenon. People grunt these phrases and somehow, in their mind, they've magically made criticism of Trump disappear.

I wonder if there was some WW2 "mustached man bad" equivalent that similarly stopped folks in Germany from achieving any critical perspective sooner than they did.

 

[dunce]

Polls in swing states narrows to reflect momentum towards trump. The gap has been closed. A republican victory is entirely possible now within margin of error demonstrating that even according to biased statistical model, trump can easily win.

 

[Siúil a Rúin]

i think you have a misunderstanding of how the national guard works. It's not an arm of the executive branch per se like in other countries. For the guard to be mobilizing it means that it's been encouraged and supported by both political parties and thus far all the damage and rioting has been mostly from the left in overwhelming numbers. The president is not like a king or a monarch. He has very little powe compared to the senate and house.

The FBI links a lot of the violence during the rioting to White Supremecist militias.

FBI director Chris Wray says Antifa is an ideology not an organization
FBI director says antifa is an ideology, not an organization

"Both the FBI and the Department of Homeland Security maintain that domestic extremism is a leading threat in the United States. Earlier this year, the FBI elevated racially motivated violent extremism to the same national threat priority as ISIS and homegrown violent extremism. Ethnically or racially motivated violent extremism, specifically white supremacist terrorism, has been deemed the most lethal terrorist threat to the country.
FBI director clarifies: Antifa 'is not a fiction' | WJLA

"The FBI has opened more than 300 domestic terrorism investigations since late May". And I'm not one to say that conflict and violence is one-dimensional and one-sided. There are 300 groups and yes, they are going to be on various points of the political spectrum, but the above reference to the white supremacist problem as the "most lethal thread" cannot be dismissed.
Hundreds of Domestic Terrorism Investigations Opened Since Start of George Floyd Protests, Official Says | Voice of America - English

Although the FBI is doing some investigation of people who identify with Antifa ideology, so it seems that it is more than complete fabrication, however the looseness of the organization enables it to be blamed for violence committed by any group because there isn't a head of the organization to deny or take credit.

 

[Z Buck McFate]

Yes you can complain about Biden, and no one is worshipping him the way they worship Trump. Most Biden supporters maintain objectivity and criticism of the details of his choices and will continue to do this. They don't paint Jesus floating around him, they don't think he is saving humanity from the reptilians, they don't think he is a religious leader that understandably fucks porn stars. Biden supporters are not in a hyped up love affair with him, but generally have a more normal critical review.

In my mind, this is one of the most bizarre aspects of what's going on. All this periphery, over-the-top worship. It's profoundly disturbing.

 

[Siúil a Rúin]

maybe you are projecting the religious fervor of your hatred for the fat orange man on to people who just don't want to pay higher taxes to an already corrupt beauracry?

You came back with this later. I don't judge people on appearance. I have not criticized his appearance except once back in 2015 I quoted the "hell toupee" meme because of it's punny comedic value.

I don't think that every person who votes for Trump has religious fervor, but there is a significant number that do. There are also a lot of people who seek the approval of relatives and friends who support him, and there are people who naturally compartmentalize their sense of reality, so they don't have a problem with his moral violations if they can be convinced he is a good business man. (I'm not convinced). People think they are being objective when they compartmentalize or when they are good at dismissing moral data points. I don't think that is objectivity. The number of people in the U.S. earning over $400K is apparently 25%, so that alone would not be enough to get Trump elected. I am also sure that plenty of people with wealth do not have empathy for those who earn less.

I have a doctorate, two masters degree, and have collaborated with professionals who are world class, and I make $30K if I'm lucky (and I'm not this year by a long shot). I also owe a boatload of student loans and do not own any property. I have no expectation of life being financially fair, and society hasn't been for me or my family at all, and I do resent wealthy people who are solely concerned with their pocket books and vote only to grasp hold of a few more dollars.

The Republican Party has been focused on de-regulating the corporations since Reagon and the trickle down economics has taken the piss on the rest of us. So, richy rich who doesn't care if Trump gropes and rapes, mocks the disabled, bombs the hell out of Syria, has every policy to make the U.S. and corporations as dominant as possible at the expense of everything else in the universe, if that citizen votes to keep more of that paycheck that comes from exploiting the working class whose labor is not being properly compensated, then that's his guilt.

The religious fervor I described for Trump is what it takes to get the poor to vote for him. I'm sure the rich do it coldly, emotionlessly, punching in their fucking numbers with the arrogance to assume they are "worth it".

 

[ceecee]

In my mind, this is one of the most bizarre aspects of what's going on. All this periphery, over-the-top worship. It's profoundly disturbing.

The most ardent Trump supporters don't reside in reality. Their behavior is cult-like but I have a feeling it's because they are directionless and hopeless. I don't necessarily blame them as social and governmental failures put them in that position but - they want nothing to do with actual progress or change at all. They simply want to punish their "enemies", real or imaginary.

 

[Firebird 8118]

In my mind, this is one of the most bizarre aspects of what's going on. All this periphery, over-the-top worship. It's profoundly disturbing.

I agree. It sounds like... A CULT.

 

[dunce]

The FBI links a lot of the violence during the rioting to White Supremecist militias. FBI director Chris Wray says Antifa is an ideology not an organization FBI director says antifa is an ideology, not an organization "Both the FBI and the Department of Homeland Security maintain that domestic extremism is a leading threat in the United States. Earlier this year, the FBI elevated racially motivated violent extremism to the same national threat priority as ISIS and homegrown violent extremism. Ethnically or racially motivated violent extremism, specifically white supremacist terrorism, has been deemed the most lethal terrorist threat to the country. FBI director clarifies: Antifa 'is not a fiction' | WJLA "The FBI has opened more than 300 domestic terrorism investigations since late May". And I'm not one to say that conflict and violence is one-dimensional and one-sided. There are 300 groups and yes, they are going to be on various points of the political spectrum, but the above reference to the white supremacist problem as the "most lethal thread" cannot be dismissed. Hundreds of Domestic Terrorism Investigations Opened Since Start of George Floyd Protests, Official Says | Voice of America - English Although the FBI is doing some investigation of people who identify with Antifa ideology, so it seems that it is more than complete fabrication, however the looseness of the organization enables it to be blamed for violence committed by any group because there isn't a head of the organization to deny or take credit.

I'll raise you to one fbi director who has political leanings and is biased to a liberal news outlet, unbiased in the direction of the right, BLM, Antifa, Far Left Promise Rioting if Trump Wins - California Globe. There are about 300 other news publications from both sides published and findable through google news released in the last six months indicating the Same. Unfortunately one mans biased opinion does not put weight the data from a majority of news outlets.
nullified.

 

[dunce]

A lot of I researched hearspeak about religiousity on the right. Let's balance the conversation with sound research.Explaining The Left: Leftism As Secular Religion -- Dennis Prager