Another far right attack on Muslims (when will it end?)

[Warrior]

I apologize to everyone, I didn't mean to piss everyone off, I just get a kick out of debating for debating's sakes online I don't know if it's an INTP thing or if im mistyped and actually an entp. sorry, didn't mean to cause all this trouble, i didn't realize the extent to which i was annoying everyone. it happens. EDIT: basically I don't even think i was ever angry i think i was just looking for the thrill.

 

[Lord Lavender]

Its simple at heart they arent Muslims, Alt right e.t.c they are all tbe same thing murderers and and should be branded as such.

 

[Doctor Cringelord]

china is state atheist and is torturing people in the name of atheism. im done arguing.

Isms, in general, are the problem here.

 

[Warrior]

Its simple at heart they arent Muslims, Alt right e.t.c they are all tbe same thing murderers and and should be branded as such.

pisces sun and libra moon? check your message, i think i know you from somewhere

 

[Red Herring]

1. I agree that these threats should be bundled as it's the third far-right terror attack here in just eight months.

2. For the record (and because several posters have either doubted it or spread false rumours: The perpetrator left a video and a 24 pages long letter. It's apparently a wild mixture of wild conspiracy theories and paranoia suggesting mental health issues as well as very explicit racism. He clearly states that there are several ethnicities he'd want to wipe off the face of the earth, etc. He was a German with a very German sounding name and his victims were Muslims. The guy wanted to kill as many of them as possible and then offed himself and his own mother.

Now, you could say he was obviously nuts, but you can be nuts and a far right extremist at the same time and his motivation was racial hatred. He was also an incel, by the way. Yet another "lone wolf", yet another far right killer, yet another one whose mental illness oh so coincidentally manifested itself in the form of far right ideology and conspiracy theories...

Though this be madness, yet there is method in it!

 

[Warrior]

Isms, in general, are the problem here.

there will always be isms. people will always disagree, though. if only we could all get along......but i see what you mean. isms cracking too deep and causing too deep a divide cause far too much killing.

 

[Red Herring]

8 months ago: CDU politician gets shot in his own home. The murderer is a neonazi who likely had the help of another neonazi.
4 months ago: A neonazi tries to enter a synagogue on Yom Kippur to kill the entire congregation but doesn't manage to break open the door. He kills two random people on the street.
Last month: An explosive device is discovered at a concentration camp - a rightwing terror attempt suspected
A week ago: police detain a far right terrorist circle
This week: a guy with alt right leaning and racist motives murders nine Muslims

Add to that the infamous NSU scandal National Socialist Underground - Wikipedia

Here's a list of terror attacks in Germany:
Terrorism in Germany - Wikipedia

 

[ceecee]

8 months ago: CDU politician gets shot in his own home. The murderer is a neonazi who likely had the help of another neonazi.
4 months ago: A neonazi tries to enter a synagogue on Yom Kippur to kill the entire congregation but doesn't manage to break open the door. He kills two random people on the street.
Last month: An explosive device is discovered at a concentration camp - a rightwing terror attempt suspected
A week ago: police detain a far right terrorist circle
This week: a guy with alt right leaning and racist motives murders nine Muslims

Add to that the infamous NSU scandal National Socialist Underground - Wikipedia

Here's a list of terror attacks in Germany:
Terrorism in Germany - Wikipedia

All US extremist killings in 2018 had links to right-wing extremism: report - Business Insider

America's Lost Battle Against White Nationalist Terrorism | Time

https://theintercept.com/2019/03/23/domestic-terrorism-fbi-prosecutions/


https://slate.com/news-and-politics...ernment-focus-jihadis-islamic-radicalism.html

Right-wing terrorists have killed more people on U.S. soil than jihadis have since 9/11. But they are never classified as such, they're charged with hate crimes. Even when they are politically motivated and are open about a desire to “kill as many people as possible.” such as this piece of shit, only drug and weapons charges and little jail time overall.

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/...d-how-to-rid-us-of-the-jews-court-docs-reveal

 

[Vendrah]

china is state atheist and is torturing people in the name of atheism. im done arguing.

I think you didnt really get that Bolsonaro far right lesson based on what you said, but ok, Im done here too.

 

[Yuurei]

you cant deny though this sort of thing has become the new normal, though, no? a white angry tough guy shooting up a synagogue or mosque or stabbing everyone, in the name of trump, or white europa, or christ, or hitler, or blah blah blah...........even if this wasn't the case, there are dozens if not hundreds of other cases like this that i have described. who's the "terrorist" now? and im guessing your chinese. i think you assume raping uighur women and brainwashing millions in draconian camps and subjecting them to torture, sterilization, forced abortions, etc. and forcing them into marriages, forcing entire han families to monitor uighur families with men in camps with a han man in bed with an uighur woman is ok, then? EDIT: and who's flinging shit? all you ever do is launch personal attacks on me with your moderator immunity.

Dude, you have really got to learn how to think rather than just react.

Why on Earth would you assume I’m Chinese? just because I suggested you practice some critical thinking?

There are many many cases of “ angry white boys” killing basically everyone who isn’t an angry white boy, hell, probably other angry white boys too. So stop trying to monopolize on victimhood. Terroists exist all over the world and this back and forth of “ who started it/ is more guilty” is absurd and does nothing but lead to more violence.

And, if you happen to care about “ who started it” I’ll share a little history lesson with you: in thins particular case, the answer to “ who started it” was Muslims themselves. This goes back to the time of Ghngis Khan. He had several high ranking officers in his command who happened to be Muslim. They had asked him for revenge on the Uihgers who had betrayed them and stolen their land.

You cannot even pretend to have a discussion about terrorism or human on human violence unless you understand one of the most basic concepts of humanity as we know it; nearly all of our modern day grudges started long long ago, for reasons that are nearly entirely lost to us. Many of those whom we consider “oppressed” today are only around because they oppressed, conquered and slaughtered someone else in the past.

And that was not a personal insult. It was a general statement about humanity.
Besides, you just implied that I am some sort of Nazi and you haven’t been reprimanded now have you?

 

[Warrior]

Dude, you have really got to learn how to think rather than just react.

Why on Earth would you assume I’m Chinese? just because I suggested you practice some critical thinking?

There are many many cases of “ angry white boys” killing basically everyone who isn’t an angry white boy, hell, probably other angry white boys too. So stop trying to monopolize on victimhood. Terroists exist all over the world and this back and forth of “ who started it/ is more guilty” is absurd and does nothing but lead to more violence.

And, if you happen to care about “ who started it” I’ll share a little history lesson with you: in thins particular case, the answer to “ who started it” was Muslims themselves. This goes back to the time of Ghngis Khan. He had several high ranking officers in his command who happened to be Muslim. They had asked him for revenge on the Uihgers who had betrayed them and stolen their land.

You cannot even pretend to have a discussion about terrorism or human on human violence unless you understand one of the most basic concepts of humanity as we know it; nearly all of our modern day grudges started long long ago, for reasons that are nearly entirely lost to us. Many of those whom we consider “oppressed” today are only around because they oppressed, conquered and slaughtered someone else in the past.

And that was not a personal insult. It was a general statement about humanity.
Besides, you just implied that I am some sort of Nazi and you haven’t been reprimanded now have you?

I was referring to the chinese concentration camps of uighurs, not the nazi concentration camps, but you seem to be nice this time instead of critical, so i commend you for that. next time, i suggest continuing to be nice. i will be nice regardless, and i apologize if i came across as ignorant. EDIT: i appreciate your wisdom. EDIT: Oh i just saw my post, i apologize for my post, i WAAASSSS assuming you were a nazi, i apologize. please dont reprimand me thank you for not doing so.

 

[Warrior]

[MENTION=29849]Yuu[/MENTION] I just saw my post I actually DID assume you were a nazi, didn't I.....yeah....sorry about that. thank you for not reprimanding me.

 

[Maou]

Problem with this bullshit, is the media only says its "Right wing" but when its a Liberal extremist, it is suddenly a "mentally ill person". Which I find appaling. The shooting that happened in my state recently, was the result of a Liberal extremist. There are plently of Liberal extremists, that the news misrepresents, that are politically motivated shootings.

 

[Lark]

When I read the threads like this online I'm constantly reminded of an Oscar Wilde quote, that there is one thing worse than to be talked about and that is to be not talked about.

There's a reason most of these guys fit a fairly similar profile you know.

 

[ceecee]

Problem with this bullshit, is the media only says its "Right wing" but when its a Liberal extremist, it is suddenly a "mentally ill person". Which I find appaling. The shooting that happened in my state recently, was the result of a Liberal extremist. There are plently of Liberal extremists, that the news misrepresents, that are politically motivated shootings.

That shooting was a result of someone else buying guns and ammo for a person with a murder and rape list. But that guy was white - mentally ill. The guy who bought the guns and ammo is black and in prison and is painted as a drug addicted criminal. There is the actual difference when it comes to the media.

 

[Maou]

That shooting was a result of someone else buying guns and ammo for a person with a murder and rape list. But that guy was white - mentally ill. The guy who bought the guns and ammo is black and in prison and is painted as a drug addicted criminal. There is the actual difference when it comes to the media.

Are we talking about the same shooter? Because the one I am talking about was an Anti-fa sympathizer and was ironically pro-gun control. He was a Sanders supporter as well. But the media left this out.

2019 Dayton shooting - Wikipedia

But we can both agree that anyone who shoots anyone like this, is mentally unwell. I just don't like how everyone brings up their race and political positions every time there is one.

 

[ceecee]

Are we talking about the same shooter? Because the one I am talking about was an Anti-fa sympathizer and was ironically pro-gun control. He was a Sanders supporter as well. But the media left this out.

2019 Dayton shooting - Wikipedia

But we can both agree that anyone who shoots anyone like this, is mentally unwell. I just don't like how everyone brings up their race and political positions every time there is one.

Everything I've read about Connor Betts mentioned he has shown support for Bernie and Elizabeth Warren. lol @antifa, that really is a boogieman for some people. If you don't like bringing up political positions, why did you include it in your post? Unless that's the method you use to ignore and justify actual threats that are vastly right wing. But there is good news too.

Jeremy Christian guilty on all counts in MAX stabbings trial, including murder and hate crimes - oregonlive.com

 

[Maou]

Everything I've read about Connor Betts mentioned he has shown support for Bernie and Elizabeth Warren. lol @antifa, that really is a boogieman for some people. If you don't like bringing up political positions, why did you include it in your post? Unless that's the method you use to ignore and justify actual threats that are vastly right wing. But there is good news too.

Jeremy Christian guilty on all counts in MAX stabbings trial, including murder and hate crimes - oregonlive.com

I bring it up, because it is in the OP. I was talking from the perspective of the premise set up by the OP.

 

[Warrior]

see my latest posts on men's rights. flamewar away elsewhere this thread is dead.