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Trump vs. Bernie

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For the Republicans here, just curious as to what kind of campaign do they think Trump should use against Bernie if he faces him n the general? What strategies do you think Trump could employ that would be effective? Do you have anything else up your sleeve other than just "he's a crazy socialist"?
 

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For the Republicans here, just curious as to what kind of campaign do they think Trump should use against Bernie iif he faces him n the general? What strategies do you think Trump could employ that would be effective? Do you have anything else up your sleeve other than just "he's a crazy socialist"?

Facts.
 

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Got any or just looking?

If you're talking to me, I'm just looking. That's what I'm asking. I haven't really heard much beyond the crazy socialist thing, so I wondered if they have anything else.
 

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If you're talking to me, I'm just looking. That's what I'm asking. I haven't really heard much beyond the crazy socialist thing, so I wonder if they have anything else.

Oh, so sweet Owl, I was referring to the alleged "facts" of our Goody Sledgehammer above.
 

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My bases are so covered I got them to add a fifth base in the MLB.

But beween you and me, I sure am keen to see these alleged fact she has. No doubt they're the factiest fact checked more than Sandy Claw's lists.
 

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Oh, so sweet Owl, I was referring to the alleged "facts" of our Goody Sledgehammer above.

Doesn't matter, reality doesn't exist. One man's facts, is another man's fiction.
 

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So just looking then... I thought as much.
 

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So just looking then... I thought as much.

No I believe Trump will beat the fuck outta Bernie in debates, with both mockery and laying down his accomplishments. If you learned anything from 2016, is Trump isn't there to debate. Bernie has zero spine, and will take his rhetoric in the ass with no lube. It will be entertaining, or catastrophic depending on what side you are on.

That is if Doomberg doesn't steal his nomination. His odds of doing so is at least 50%. That guy is everything the media says about Trump (if it was all true), and them some. Literally a villian.
 

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No I believe Trump will beat the fuck outta Bernie in debates, with both mockery and laying down his accomplishments. If you learned anything from 2016, is Trump isn't there to debate. Bernie has zero spine, and will take his rhetoric in the ass with no lube. It will be entertaining, or catastrophic depending on what side you are on.

That is if Doomberg doesn't steal his nomination. His odds of doing so is at least 50%. That guy is everything the media says about Trump (if it was all true), and them some. Literally a villian.

And here I thought you were all about facts. Huh.
 

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I really enjoy the debates. Personal preferences aside, my opinion is Clinton destroyed Trump in every debate but he still won. So I am skeptical in today's environment on their impact. The days of Kennedy vs Nixon are long past. People are in their entrenched positions fueled by the partisan media and customized social media environment they self select into.

Edit: Oh and Trump will beat Bernie. He is too radical and too much of a zealot. Elizabeth Warren is the most whacked of any of the candidates (cant stand her). I like Bernie a lot but dont agree with his policies and dont think he has a snowball's chance in hell of winning.
 

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I really enjoy the debates. Personal preferences aside, my opinion is Clinton destroyed Trump in every debate but he still won. So I am skeptical in today's environment on their impact. The days of Kennedy vs Nixon are long past. People are in their entrenched positions fueled by the partisan media and customized social media environment they self select into.

As a former Republican, how will you feel when Trump is reelected (likely), or Bernie is elected (A social democrat)?

Edit: ninja edited response
 

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As a former Republican, how will you feel when Trump is reelected (likely), or Bernie is elected (A social democrat)? Edit: ninja edited response
I would vote for anyone over Trump. Bernie would largely just be ineffective because he wont be able to galvanize support for what he believes in and doesn't have dictatorial tendencies that trump has which actually does deliver results regardless as to whether or not you agree with them.
 

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Edit: Oh and Trump will beat Bernie. He is too radical and too much of a zealot. Elizabeth Warren is the most whacked of any of the candidates (cant stand her). I like Bernie a lot but dont agree with his policies and dont think he has a snowball's chance in hell of winning.

Disagree on that front. He has a real following just like Trump had a real following. I think he probably has the best shot of anybody because of that.

I don't think the radicalness is a problem because Trump would paint anybody who ran against him as a radical. I don't see how it's something that makes him weaker more than anyone else.

Trump has apparently never polled above 50%, according to something I read today, which is rather unusual. That makes him pretty vulnerable, especially against an energized opposition. Interest in voting is growing more quickly in large cities than rural areas. New Hampshire turnout for Democrats was higher than 2008, although I suppose something could be said for the relatively large turnout for the Republican primary.

Elections seem to be won more by getting your side to show up; I think the issue of Bernie alienating people is vastly overstated due to this. Trump was supposed to lose in a landslide because of how alienating he would be (according to the idea of the importance of sticking to the middle), but he squeaked by because of large rural turnout. Hell, I expected you to be more anti-Bernie than you are.

This poll has Sanders as the only candidate beating Trump . I believe from my poll-watching this Emerson poll has been more favorable to Trump than many of the other polls.

I think defeating Trumpism requires audacity, and Bernie's the candidate that has that the most. If Trump represents something unprecedented for our country, then it will take something unprecedented to defeat him. I don't think we can defeat Trump by false expectations of hoping to return to normalcy; normalcy and "America is already great" was Hillary's campaign, and that didn't work out too well for her. Also, the extent to which the MAGA folks underestimate Bernie looks rather familiar; it reminds me of the attitude Democrats had towards Trump in 2016. If Bernie doesn't face a contested convention, I imagine he goes on to defeat Trump.

I've always seen Presidential candidates that try to win a general by trying to ape the other party lose, at least since I've been able to vote and it was my responsibility to pay attention to these things. We have John Kerry "reporting for duty", McCain being a maverick, Romney's history of laying a template for Obamacare, Clinton's reliance on a mass defection of Republicans,... etc. I'm willing to try something entirely different and see where it gets us. Obama's message of "change" worked out. I thin this will work, too.
 

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Trump would crucify Bernie on a debate. Bernie will come across as a well meaning zealot an academic without an ounce of practicality and he will lose. I would still vote for him but he will lose. Mostly if elected I believe he will be ineffective in getting support for his policies. He isnt a dictator like trump who is likely to ram things through. I really like Bernie.i just dont think he would be a good president.
 
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