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    I've always been interested in exploring alternate history scenarios. I wish history was a separate sub-forum because the purpose of this thread is not to spark political debate but to examine possible outcomes of events had they gone differently than recorded. Ask how, or write how you think history might have played out differently had certain political events unfolded differently. In referencing events as they actually played out, I will use the term "prime timeline".

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    -Dukakis is elected in 1988. How do the next four years play out differently? Is he a two-termer or a one-termer like George Bush in the prime timeline? Do we still go to war in the Persian Gulf? Does Clinton still become President in the 90s? What are the lasting consequences and how does history look different up to the present day?

    -The American Revolution doesn't happen, but instead an agreement is reached granting the colonies more autonomy on the condition they remain subjects to the King. How does American history play out differently?

    -Giuliani runs against Hillary in the 2000 NY Senate race. Does she still win? Does she still run for President in 2008? does he do better or worse than he did in the prime timeline when he eventually runs for president?

    -Wesley Clark, rather than John Kerry, is democratic nominee in 2004. Does the election play out differently than in prime timeline?

    -Gore wins 2000 election.

    -McCain wins 2000 primary against Bush.

    -McCain wins 2008 election against Obama.

    -Lincoln decides to stay home on the night of April 14th, 1865, therefore never being shot by John Wilkes Booth.

    -Nixon wins against JFK in 1960.

    -RFK is not assassinated in 1968. Does he go on to win the primary? If so, does he defeat or lose to Nixon?

    -Andrew Jackson dies in a duel before ever running for President. How do the 1800s pan out without a Jackson Presidency?
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    I always wonder about RFK. I mean he died before I was born but after talking to people alive at the time and reading, I have no doubt he would have been elected.

    lol at incremental change instead of the American Revolution.
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    I think RFK would probably beat Nixon, assuming he won the primaries and the nomination. There were only a handful of states holding primaries back then, and he'd still have to have gotten enough delegates on his side at the convention. Humphrey was weak going into the election because he was closely associated with the least popular aspects of the Johnson administration, whether or not that was a fair association for people to make. Even with his unpopularity, it was a close election against Nixon. RFK would have done at least as well as Humphrey did. Some people would vote for him purely as a sympathy vote, due to the association with his fallen brother. He'd have done slightly better with the youth vote, as he would be seen more as an outsider, and had become vocally critical of the Johnson Administration's actions in Vietnam.
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    Oh here's a good one. King is not assassinated in 1968, and also decides to run for President that same year with Dr. Benjamin Spock as his VP nominee (this was actually considered by King before he decided he could do more outside of politics). Does this split the democratic vote?
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    I've always wondered what it would have been like had settlers integrated with the native tribes rather than manifest destiny.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Cat View Post
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    I've always wondered what it would have been like had settlers integrated with the native tribes rather than manifest destiny.
    In the early days, this was not uncommon. Triracial communities sometimes formed, consisting of freed blacks or runaway slaves, Europeans who couldn't handle the strict, shitty conditions at early settlements, and natives who took them in.

    Honestly, had the French won the French and Indian War and driven the British out of North America, we might have seen less of the manifest destiny rhetoric gaining popularity. The French west of the colonies were less interested in forming permanent settlements than they were with trading with the natives and establishing an economic foothold. They were probably the least brutal of the major European powers in North America at the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by asynartetic View Post
    In the early days, this was not uncommon. Triracial communities sometimes formed, consisting of freed blacks or runaway slaves, Europeans who couldn't handle the strict, shitty conditions at early settlements, and natives who took them in.

    Honestly, had the French won the French and Indian War and driven the British out of North America, we might have seen less of the manifest destiny rhetoric gaining popularity. The French west of the colonies were less interested in forming permanent settlements than they were with trading with the natives and establishing an economic foothold. They were probably the least brutal of the major European powers in North America at the time.
    I just imagine everything would be some much cleaner and more green too y'know?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Cat View Post
    I just imagine everything would be some much cleaner and more green too y'know?
    Probably. Would be interesting to see history play out had a triracial nation of people descended from europeans, africans, and natives eventually formed in north america.

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    Actually there are pretty decent youtube channels on this topic.

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    What if humans never spread to the other continents before the start of history ?

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