The Dangerous Case Of Donald Trump

[The Cat]

Yeah, the loudest voices on my Fb list have disappeared too - I assume for the same reason. I haven't visited the site, but it sounds horrifying. I guess I hope it'll prove to be such a threat (violent shitheads not even being careful about plotting violence) that there'll be legal recourse to shut it down. If they just stick to conspiracy theories though, we're screwed.

the fbi will be paying close attention there... That place has to be like a Prosecutor's Paradise

 

[Coriolis]

Actually, it's spelled wrong -- "Parler" instead of what we expect it to be ("parlor").

Maybe someone else owned the copyright to "parlor". Or maybe they just suck at spelling. The sad thing is the latter is a definite possibility in that corner of (un)reality.

I always assumed the spelling was a nod to the French "parler", to speak, implying a comfortable (chat) room where people could speak with each other.

 

[The Cat]

I always assumed the spelling was a nod to the French "parler", to speak, implying a comfortable (chat) room where people could speak with each other.

pretty sure it is, which is ironic as Im pretty sure it caters to the "freedom fries" crowd.

 

[Jaguar]

What is this - a goddamn letter written by a hostage?

https://int.nyt.com/data/documentto...-resignation-letter/b82836cf0fe20bf8/full.pdf

 

[Virtual ghost]

the fbi will be paying close attention there... That place has to be like a Prosecutor's Paradise

Not really, since this isn't a group of "concerned citizens" but a very large group that can also respond with full military force around the country. Therefore if someone will poke too much around they could trigger an avalanche that even major government agencies will not be able to control (especially in COVID era). Also here when we started the project of independence everyone gave us very little odds. But they didn't realize that in our part of the country even the security will go rogue on the system, plus to some degree in other parts as well. What tilted the balance much more than was expected. Plus to make things worse it is well known that security agencies are full of right wingers, since this is where this profile of people belongs. So yeah, this will very likely be much more complicated than just standard security concerns. Since you no longer know who is who with certainty if the movement is really big as the numbers/votes are suggesting.


Therefore for now it is probably best to just observe and let them be. Maybe they will calm down with time.

 

[Totenkindly]

pretty sure it is, which is ironic as Im pretty sure it caters to the "freedom fries" crowd.

Yeah, don't tell me they chose the French spelling -- it's lost on this usa crowd.

Then again, I guess those fries are French too...

 

[Siúil a Rúin]

It's also worth noting that Parler isn't the first communication environment dominated by the far right. Populations in Montana, Wyoming, Idaho, North and South Dakota are also geared towards radio. Someone I know living in those regions noted the absence of Democratic presence to promote ideas during the election in that format which is a goto mode of information gathering. I think it also "feels" more authentic and real to people because it is less technology based and has been around for a long time. It has a "Good ol' days" feel and something they grew up trusting.

 

[ceecee]

It's also worth noting that Parler isn't the first communication environment dominated by the far right. Populations in Montana, Wyoming, Idaho, North and South Dakota are also geared towards radio. Someone I know living in those regions noted the absence of Democratic presence to promote ideas during the election in that format which is a goto mode of information gathering. I think it also "feels" more authentic and real to people because it is less technology based and has been around for a long time. It has a "Good ol' days" feel and something they grew up trusting.

This is so simple yet so difficult for the Democrats to grasp, I can't even begin to tell you. All it would take, and it doesn't matter how red the area is, are people with more liberal ideas or views and their community involvement to make inroads. But I will tell you that progressive policy will win elections there, not moderate policy. They've already tried those. As far as radio and less technology based platforms, the left has them. It's just a question of where to put it.

The centrist moderates don't - they won't invest in radio or other media and think they don't have to. Conservatives give their bullshit away for free - of course it gets eaten up by a beat down, paranoid and frequently lower earner crowd. Corporate media is not liberal, I laugh every time I hear some idiot parroting it. But that's how right wing radio retains listeners - tell them all the other information they hear is a lie. Except the unhinged right wing rantings they're listening to for free, of course.

 

[Magic Poriferan]

This is so simple yet so difficult for the Democrats to grasp, I can't even begin to tell you. All it would take, and it doesn't matter how red the area is, are people with more liberal ideas or views and their community involvement to make inroads. But I will tell you that progressive policy will win elections there, not moderate policy. They've already tried those. As far as radio and less technology based platforms, the left has them. It's just a question of where to put it.

The centrist moderates don't - they won't invest in radio or other media and think they don't have to. Conservatives give their bullshit away for free - of course it gets eaten up by a beat down, paranoid and frequently lower earner crowd. Corporate media is not liberal, I laugh every time I hear some idiot parroting it.

I think if you gave any rando with a passing interesting games that was just thinly veiled American elections, they'd quickly figure out what the DNC hasn't. It's really basic strategy. If it's a bipolar system you have to contrast to your opponent for a chance at success. If an area is your enemy's stronghold, the last thing that will ever work is doing a cheap, knockoff version of what your enemy is already doing there.

But it's a mixture of both corruption and being totally insular/out of touch that keeps them from grasping the eminently graspable.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

This is so simple yet so difficult for the Democrats to grasp, I can't even begin to tell you. All it would take, and it doesn't matter how red the area is, are people with more liberal ideas or views and their community involvement to make inroads. But I will tell you that progressive policy will win elections there, not moderate policy. They've already tried those. As far as radio and less technology based platforms, the left has them. It's just a question of where to put it.

The centrist moderates don't - they won't invest in radio or other media and think they don't have to. Conservatives give their bullshit away for free - of course it gets eaten up by a beat down, paranoid and frequently lower earner crowd. Corporate media is not liberal, I laugh every time I hear some idiot parroting it. But that's how right wing radio retains listeners - tell them all the other information they hear is a lie. Except the unhinged right wing rantings they're listening to for free, of course.

If libertarian "free market" ideas were such an unavoidable aspect of the American character that we have to accept them, the electoral map of 1936 would not have looked like this.

Why didn't more states vote to kick out FDR when the New Deal started?


I'm listening to Matt Christman talk about sewer socialists now, by the way.

 

[ceecee]

If libertarian "free market" ideas were such an unavoidable aspect of the American character that we have to accept them, the electoral map of 1936 would not have looked like this.

Why didn't more states vote to kick out FDR when the New Deal started?


I'm listening to Matt Christman talk about sewer socialists now, by the way.

Oh, the mayors in Milwaukee? Those socialist were in power a long time - like 50 years or more. Was this an old Chapo episode or another podcast? Anyway, I love Matt, he is a legit historical scholar and because Chapo's audience skews young, all the better for someone to be talking about this stuff.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Oh, the mayors in Milwaukee? Those socialist were in power a long time - like 50 years or more. Was this an old Chapo episode or another podcast? Anyway, I love Matt, he is a legit historical scholar and because Chapo's audience skews young, all the better for someone to be talking about this stuff.

Yeah. I'm going through a lot of back episodes. And Matt is very knowledgeable.

 

[Coriolis]

 

[Z Buck McFate]

Axios: Officials increasingly alarmed about Trump’s power grab

Senior Trump administration officials are increasingly alarmed that President Trump might unleash — and abuse — the power of government in an effort to overturn the clear result of the election.

Why it matters: These officials tell me that Trump is spending too much time with people they consider crackpots or conspiracy theorists and flirting with blatant abuses of power.

There are 32 days until President-elect Biden's inauguration.

The big picture: Their fears include Trump's interest in former national security adviser Michael Flynn's wild talk of martial law; an idea floated of an executive order to commandeer voting machines; and the specter of Sidney Powell, the conspiracy-spewing election lawyer, obtaining governmental power and a top-level security clearance.

A senior administration official said that when Trump is "retweeting threats of putting politicians in jail, and spends his time talking to conspiracy nuts who openly say declaring martial law is no big deal, it’s impossible not to start getting anxious about how this ends."

"People who are concerned and nervous aren’t the weak-kneed bureaucrats that we loathe," the official added. "These are people who have endured arguably more insanity and mayhem than any administration officials in history."

At Friday's meeting, first reported by The New York Times, Trump discussed making Powell a special counsel for election fraud.

The ideas included commandeering voting machines, with Powell as a special counsel to inspect the machines, according to a source familiar with the meeting.

White House counsel Pat Cipollone and chief of staff Mark Meadows "pushed back strenuously and repeatedly against the ideas put forth by Sidney Powell,” the source said.

The meeting included Flynn, who was pardoned by Trump in November and is a celebrity with election-denying Trump supporters.
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A concerning amount of the crap Trump is "throwing against the wall, to see what sticks" appears to be sticking. My own biggest concern (not confident it should be the biggest) is the amount of whackado crackpots who 100% believe him; in spite of being unable to produce any evidence for his claims, and almost every single case being dismissed precisely due to lack of any evidence, he's managed to convince a legion of cult followers that the only reason the cases were dismissed is because the "deep state" controls almost the entire court system in this country. Including the Supreme Court, and the three super conservative, Federalist-endorsed Justices Trump personally nominated - "deep state" controls it all. Grown-ass, functioning (ostensibly) adults believe this, and can't be bothered to question whether - instead of a "deep state" conspiracy permeating the entire U.S. court system - maybe there really wasn't sufficient evidence. I've seen adults spend this week pulling long confabulated magical thoughts about election fraud right out of their ass all week, 100% convinced its the truth. And we have to live with these morons, who will be more worked up than ever about 'the injustice' when Trump is forced to leave the White House. (Discuss?)

 

[Z Buck McFate]

Axios: Giuliani asks DHS about seizing voting machines

On Friday night, as first reported by The New York Times, Trump discussed commandeering voting machines and appointing conspiracy-minded election lawyer Sidney Powell as special counsel to inspect the machines.
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I wonder if this could do any harm if the whole process were completely transparent - video of the whole 'inspection', witnesses present. Is there any reason Democrats shouldn't say "Go for it", stipulating that absolute transparency is non-negotiable? I'd think it would only hurt his narrative. Would it make a dent in the cult?

 

[ceecee]

Axios: Giuliani asks DHS about seizing voting machines

On Friday night, as first reported by The New York Times, Trump discussed commandeering voting machines and appointing conspiracy-minded election lawyer Sidney Powell as special counsel to inspect the machines.
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I wonder if this could do any harm if the whole process were completely transparent - video of the whole 'inspection', witnesses present. Is there any reason Democrats shouldn't say "Go for it", stipulating that absolute transparency is non-negotiable? I'd think it would only hurt his narrative. Would it make a dent in the cult?

I would be good with - Go for it, nobody cares bitch. But I don't think it will matter at all. The true believers will still be drooling in the corner babbling gibberish and the MSM clutching their pearls.


Am I the only person that wants to see the My Pillow Guy go to prison?

 

[Jaguar]

All of these assholes are grifters, Rudy included.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

I would be good with - Go for it, nobody cares bitch. But I don't think it will matter at all. The true believers will still be drooling in the corner babbling gibberish and the MSM clutching their pearls.


Am I the only person that wants to see the My Pillow Guy go to prison?

A lot of things would be nice, that doesn't mean they are going to happen. I don't remember who on Chapo said it, but I would indeed not be surprised if he become a future GOP presidential nominee, as befitting the "greatest country in the world."

 

[ceecee]

A lot of things would be nice, that doesn't mean they are going to happen. I don't remember who on Chapo said it, but I would indeed not be surprised if he become a future GOP presidential nominee, as befitting the "greatest country in the world."

Oh yeah, pres or senate run. I loved that episode about the MPG book, how he was on crack and his dealer got him off it. lol

 

[Z Buck McFate]

I would be good with - Go for it, nobody cares bitch. But I don't think it will matter at all. The true believers will still be drooling in the corner babbling gibberish and the MSM clutching their pearls.

I think you're right about the cult, but I suspect ultimately it would help 'history' sort out the aftermath. And it might be shed a bit of light for those who are so fatigued that they don't know who to believe. I mean, if it were offered with the stipulation of full transparency, it seems like a given that Trump would refuse anyway - he knows full well there's nothing to find. I feel like this would be a "couldn't hurt, slightest chance it could actually help" move - but there's almost certainly something I'm not seeing.

Am I the only person that wants to see the My Pillow Guy go to prison?

I want all of them to go.