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    Agree with the policies or not, the inconvenient truth about Trump is that he's done exactly what he said he would do. From jobs, GDP growth, appointment of conservative judges, tax reform, the wall, border security, withdrawal from the Iraq nuclear deal and the Paris climate accord, and renegotiating NAFTA and other trade agreements... I feel like never before has there been a president who has so consistently followed through on campaign promise after campaign promise.

    Of course, in response to this unprecedented success that has earned him the highest ever approval rating among Republicans, the left and their media allies have responded hysterically with wild calls of racism -- that he's a 'dolt-in-chief' who is somehow unqualified or unfit for office. Never mind that he's a self-made billionaire with an Ivy league education, and never mind that he owns hundreds of bushiness, founded a television program which earned millions of viewers every week for well over a decade, and brilliantly executed a rather innovative self-branding strategy that clinched him the highest possible political office as both an outsider and a significant underdog. Miraculously, all of these feats are merely indicative of an unqualified imbecile who was only able to earn the support of his base by pandering to the deplorable nature of millions.

    His trade wars? Racist.
    Walls? Racist.
    Immigration reform? Racist.
    You can leave the country if you don't like it? Racist again.
    Calling a rat infested city a rat infested city? Yep, that's racist too.

    Indeed, when talking about reparations for slavery and white privilege, it seems that the DNC candidates continue to double down on this rhetoric, as if racism was some sort of boogeyman lurking behind every corner and deeply ingrained within all our institutions. Thankfully, trying to educate voters about their privilege -- and then deriding them if they refuse to acknowledge it -- has clearly failed as a political strategy. In my opinion this only leaves a tremendous disconnect between the far left and the typical voter, and as a result, I genuinely believe that candidates like sleepy Joe and Pocahontas simply don't stand a chance. Trump is certain to win 2020 in an epic landslide, and even if it's not to the degree that Reagan won... I'm still finally starting to see the comparisons between these two presidents.

    "I am scared that if Ronald Reagan gets into office, we are going to see more of the Ku Klux Klan and a resurgence of the Nazi Party." ~ Coretta Scott King, 1980.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dep View Post
    Agree with the policies or not, the inconvenient truth about Trump is that he's done exactly what he said he would do. From jobs, GDP growth, appointment of conservative judges, tax reform, the wall, border security, withdrawal from the Iraq nuclear deal and the Paris climate accord, and renegotiating NAFTA and other trade agreements... I feel like never before has there been a president who has so consistently followed through on campaign promise after campaign promise.

    I know this discussion is not going to go anywhere, but I'll say this on general principle:

    There's no way he did what he said he was going to do with regards to the wall. He said Mexico was going to pay for it. Not just once, but many times. Last I heard, he wanted Congress (and hence, American taxpayers) to fund it. I don't think Congress is Mexico.
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    Matt Taibbi doing a event report Taibbi on Trump 2020: Be Very Afraid – Rolling Stone

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    This is a common theme, when you ask people what impresses them most about Trump, i.e., that he won despite the press. The news media rate somewhere between herpes and ISIS in much of the country. “A lot of the media are very liberal,” says Monroe. “I don’t know how he won.”


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    The most common remark you hear from Trump voters is that he’s “relatable” and isn’t “phony.” Blue-state audiences tempted to howl at this should try to understand this phenomenon, because it speaks to a legitimate problem Democrats have.

    The average American likes meat, sports, money, porn, cars, cartoons, and shopping. Less popular: socialism, privilege-checking, and the world ending in 10 years. Ironically, perhaps because of Trump, Democratic Party rhetoric in 2020 is relentlessly negative about the American experience

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    Trump’s political strategy is primitive but effective. He picks something that polls badly, and kicks it in the crotch. Then he backs off and lets three eternal truths do the rest of the work.

    One: A news media that pretends moral outrage will greedily cover his every move (cable-news profits have soared 36 percent since Trump began his run four years ago).

    Two: In a fractured political landscape, the so-called “legitimate” politicians who are his main competition will spend more time fighting one another than him. This is because intellectuals can’t bring themselves to take Trump’s dumbed-down version of politics seriously.

    Third: America’s upper classes and their proxies in government and media have no capacity for self-reflection, and will make asses of themselves in a fight. This is where Trump makes his living, getting people who should know better to rise to his bait. It’s a simple formula: Incite brawls that seem like clear political losers, only to eventually maneuver controversies to his advantage.

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    This was classic Trump. He creates controversies so quickly that no one can keep track of them all. When the dust settles, everyone is covered with welts and King Donald is bragging about having done it all on purpose, which he may have. In the end, what everyone remembers is Trump antagonists tying themselves in knots over his whims.

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    America is messed up, sure, but are we this messed up? What if we didn’t have a perma-tweeting Archie Bunker president, or turned off our TVs? Trump’s 2016 victory only happened with a slew of unwitting accomplices. Republicans split the primary vote, Democrats nominated a high-negatives insider, and the media not only tossed to Trump billions of dollars in free coverage, but also constantly validated his mockery with snooty mis-predictions. A child knows not to fall for the pull-my-finger joke a second time. But the assembled brainpower of institutional America seems determined to clear a path for Trump by playing straight man again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SearchingforPeace View Post
    I think this is worth reading and keeping in mind. But many people are coming to the realization that none of list (wall, immigration reform - honestly don't know what he's talking there, trade wars) in the OP have helped the country at all, unless corporations and super wealthy and the MAGA shitheads are a persons definition of "the country".

    But the amount of people I've found that didn't vote (doing voter outreach) is so overwhelming, it's ridiculous. And they aren't voting for Trump in 2020. They don't have to, they can sit it out again. That should be a much bigger concern than it appears to be. But the media will make sure those people do not matter, once again.
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    Walls are stupid, they'll just dig tunnels or find other ways in if they really want to come here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dep View Post
    "I am scared that if Ronald Reagan gets into office, we are going to see more of the Ku Klux Klan and a resurgence of the Nazi Party." ~ Coretta Scott King, 1980.
    There was a rise in Klan membership in the 1980s though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by asynartetic View Post
    Walls are stupid, they'll just dig tunnels or find other ways in if they really want to come here.
    Mostly I back Bernie's immigration changes (he doesn't move to decriminalize border crossing either). He also voted against the formation of ICE to begin with, to me that carries a lot of weight.
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    Merely rolling back anything that smacks of Obama is hardly what I would consider policy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Julius_Van_Der_Beak View Post
    He said Mexico was going to pay for it.
    Out of curiosity, what do you think the phrase directly or indirectly even means? I for one don't think this comment in any way suggests that Trump was ever expecting to receive a 20 billion dollar check from Mexico. Now perhaps you and other people who didn't vote for him feel mislead or even deceived -- I really don't know. Regardless, I still think that a phrase like "costs associated with illegal immigration are so great that the wall/ added border security is economically viable and will pay for itself multiple times over", just doesn't have the same ring to it as "mexico will pay" (directly or indirectly).

    In any event, as a policy Trump's stance isn't anything new or out of the ordinary. In fact last I checked, a number of high profile democrats have voted in favor of barriers along the border and have also spoken publicly against illegal immigration. For an example... "Illegal immigration is wrong, plane and simple. until the american people are convinced we will stop future flows of illegal immigration, we will make no progress on dealing with the millions of illegal immigrants who are here and now and on rationalizing our system of legal immigration." ~Chuck Shumer



    As opposed to flipping on this issue and favoring open border policy after he was elected, Trump was instead rather upfront with both congress and the American people by saying point blank that if need be he'd declare a national emergency for border funding. Meanwhile.... it seems to me that the dems keep flipping back and forth on whether there is or isn't a "crisis" at the border.


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