Trump 2020

[Deprecator]

Agree with the policies or not, the inconvenient truth about Trump is that he's done exactly what he said he would do. From jobs, GDP growth, appointment of conservative judges, tax reform, the wall, border security, withdrawal from the Iraq nuclear deal and the Paris climate accord, and renegotiating NAFTA and other trade agreements... I feel like never before has there been a president who has so consistently followed through on campaign promise after campaign promise.

Of course, in response to this unprecedented success that has earned him the highest ever approval rating among Republicans, the left and their media allies have responded hysterically with wild calls of racism -- that he's a 'dolt-in-chief' who is somehow unqualified or unfit for office. Never mind that he's a self-made billionaire with an Ivy league education, and never mind that he owns hundreds of bushiness, founded a television program which earned millions of viewers every week for well over a decade, and brilliantly executed a rather innovative self-branding strategy that clinched him the highest possible political office as both an outsider and a significant underdog. Miraculously, all of these feats are merely indicative of an unqualified imbecile who was only able to earn the support of his base by pandering to the deplorable nature of millions.

His trade wars? Racist.
Walls? Racist.
Immigration reform? Racist.
You can leave the country if you don't like it? Racist again.
Calling a rat infested city a rat infested city? Yep, that's racist too.

Indeed, when talking about reparations for slavery and white privilege, it seems that the DNC candidates continue to double down on this rhetoric, as if racism was some sort of boogeyman lurking behind every corner and deeply ingrained within all our institutions. Thankfully, trying to educate voters about their privilege -- and then deriding them if they refuse to acknowledge it -- has clearly failed as a political strategy. In my opinion this only leaves a tremendous disconnect between the far left and the typical voter, and as a result, I genuinely believe that candidates like sleepy Joe and Pocahontas simply don't stand a chance. Trump is certain to win 2020 in an epic landslide, and even if it's not to the degree that Reagan won... I'm still finally starting to see the comparisons between these two presidents.

"I am scared that if Ronald Reagan gets into office, we are going to see more of the Ku Klux Klan and a resurgence of the Nazi Party." ~ Coretta Scott King, 1980.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Agree with the policies or not, the inconvenient truth about Trump is that he's done exactly what he said he would do. From jobs, GDP growth, appointment of conservative judges, tax reform, the wall, border security, withdrawal from the Iraq nuclear deal and the Paris climate accord, and renegotiating NAFTA and other trade agreements... I feel like never before has there been a president who has so consistently followed through on campaign promise after campaign promise.

I know this discussion is not going to go anywhere, but I'll say this on general principle:

There's no way he did what he said he was going to do with regards to the wall. He said Mexico was going to pay for it. Not just once, but many times. Last I heard, he wanted Congress (and hence, American taxpayers) to fund it. I don't think Congress is Mexico.

 

[ceecee]

lol

 

[SearchingforPeace]

Matt Taibbi doing a event report Taibbi on Trump 2020: Be Very Afraid – Rolling Stone

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This is a common theme, when you ask people what impresses them most about Trump, i.e., that he won despite the press. The news media rate somewhere between herpes and ISIS in much of the country. “A lot of the media are very liberal,” says Monroe. “I don’t know how he won.”


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The most common remark you hear from Trump voters is that he’s “relatable” and isn’t “phony.” Blue-state audiences tempted to howl at this should try to understand this phenomenon, because it speaks to a legitimate problem Democrats have.

The average American likes meat, sports, money, porn, cars, cartoons, and shopping. Less popular: socialism, privilege-checking, and the world ending in 10 years. Ironically, perhaps because of Trump, Democratic Party rhetoric in 2020 is relentlessly negative about the American experience

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Trump’s political strategy is primitive but effective. He picks something that polls badly, and kicks it in the crotch. Then he backs off and lets three eternal truths do the rest of the work.

One: A news media that pretends moral outrage will greedily cover his every move (cable-news profits have soared 36 percent since Trump began his run four years ago).

Two: In a fractured political landscape, the so-called “legitimate” politicians who are his main competition will spend more time fighting one another than him. This is because intellectuals can’t bring themselves to take Trump’s dumbed-down version of politics seriously.

Third: America’s upper classes and their proxies in government and media have no capacity for self-reflection, and will make asses of themselves in a fight. This is where Trump makes his living, getting people who should know better to rise to his bait. It’s a simple formula: Incite brawls that seem like clear political losers, only to eventually maneuver controversies to his advantage.

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This was classic Trump. He creates controversies so quickly that no one can keep track of them all. When the dust settles, everyone is covered with welts and King Donald is bragging about having done it all on purpose, which he may have. In the end, what everyone remembers is Trump antagonists tying themselves in knots over his whims.

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America is messed up, sure, but are we this messed up? What if we didn’t have a perma-tweeting Archie Bunker president, or turned off our TVs? Trump’s 2016 victory only happened with a slew of unwitting accomplices. Republicans split the primary vote, Democrats nominated a high-negatives insider, and the media not only tossed to Trump billions of dollars in free coverage, but also constantly validated his mockery with snooty mis-predictions. A child knows not to fall for the pull-my-finger joke a second time. But the assembled brainpower of institutional America seems determined to clear a path for Trump by playing straight man again.

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[ceecee]

Matt Taibbi doing a event report Taibbi on Trump 2020: Be Very Afraid – Rolling Stone

I think this is worth reading and keeping in mind. But many people are coming to the realization that none of list (wall, immigration reform - honestly don't know what he's talking there, trade wars) in the OP have helped the country at all, unless corporations and super wealthy and the MAGA shitheads are a persons definition of "the country".

But the amount of people I've found that didn't vote (doing voter outreach) is so overwhelming, it's ridiculous. And they aren't voting for Trump in 2020. They don't have to, they can sit it out again. That should be a much bigger concern than it appears to be. But the media will make sure those people do not matter, once again.

 

[Doctor Cringelord]

Walls are stupid, they'll just dig tunnels or find other ways in if they really want to come here.

 

[Doctor Cringelord]

"I am scared that if Ronald Reagan gets into office, we are going to see more of the Ku Klux Klan and a resurgence of the Nazi Party." ~ Coretta Scott King, 1980.

There was a rise in Klan membership in the 1980s though.

 

[ceecee]

Walls are stupid, they'll just dig tunnels or find other ways in if they really want to come here.

Mostly I back Bernie's immigration changes (he doesn't move to decriminalize border crossing either). He also voted against the formation of ICE to begin with, to me that carries a lot of weight.

 

[Jaguar]

Merely rolling back anything that smacks of Obama is hardly what I would consider policy.

 

[Deprecator]

He said Mexico was going to pay for it.

Out of curiosity, what do you think the phrase directly or indirectly even means? I for one don't think this comment in any way suggests that Trump was ever expecting to receive a 20 billion dollar check from Mexico. Now perhaps you and other people who didn't vote for him feel mislead or even deceived -- I really don't know. Regardless, I still think that a phrase like "costs associated with illegal immigration are so great that the wall/ added border security is economically viable and will pay for itself multiple times over", just doesn't have the same ring to it as "mexico will pay" (directly or indirectly).

In any event, as a policy Trump's stance isn't anything new or out of the ordinary. In fact last I checked, a number of high profile democrats have voted in favor of barriers along the border and have also spoken publicly against illegal immigration. For an example... "Illegal immigration is wrong, plane and simple. until the american people are convinced we will stop future flows of illegal immigration, we will make no progress on dealing with the millions of illegal immigrants who are here and now and on rationalizing our system of legal immigration." ~Chuck Shumer

As opposed to flipping on this issue and favoring open border policy after he was elected, Trump was instead rather upfront with both congress and the American people by saying point blank that if need be he'd declare a national emergency for border funding. Meanwhile.... it seems to me that the dems keep flipping back and forth on whether there is or isn't a "crisis" at the border.

 

[Doctor Cringelord]

Mostly I back Bernie's immigration changes (he doesn't move to decriminalize border crossing either). He also voted against the formation of ICE to begin with, to me that carries a lot of weight.

I don't know how I feel about open borders either, I'm just not on board with the level Trump wants to fortress America to.

 

[Deprecator]

Walls are stupid, they'll just dig tunnels or find other ways in if they really want to come here.

I guess Israel didn't get the memo.

"Israeli officials (including the head of the Shin Bet) quoted in the newspaper Maariv have said that in the areas where the barrier was complete, the number of hostile infiltrations has decreased to almost zero. Maariv also stated that Palestinian militants, including a senior member of Islamic Jihad, had confirmed that the barrier made it much harder to conduct attacks inside Israel."

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Out of curiosity, what do you think the phrase directly or indirectly even means? I for one don't think this comment in any way suggests that Trump was ever expecting to receive a 20 billion dollar check from Mexico. Now perhaps you and other people who didn't vote for him feel mislead or even deceived -- I really don't know. Regardless, I still think that a phrase like "costs associated with illegal immigration are so great that the wall/ added border security is economically viable and will pay for itself multiple times over", just doesn't have the same ring to it as "mexico"

LOL.

 

[ceecee]

I don't know how I feel about open borders either, I'm just not on board with the level Trump wants to fortress America to.

I'm not for a wall. Probably because I have been to places like Israel and the southern border in the US and I see what a paranoid nation is capable of.

Strangely enough I hear little from the GOP on the thousands of unguarded miles, wide the fuck open border to the north. Is that because there is no security threat (lol to anyone that thinks that) or that it's mostly white Christian, folks on the other side? Dunno man.

 

[Maou]

Wow, so much nit picking. If anyone thinks politics is an exact exchange, they have some history to review. No president gives exactly what they promise, because politics is about compromise and working together. If you look at it general, Trump still put a physical barrier, and had attempted everything he's promised. But thank god for the balance of power right? It managed to prevent him from doing everything exactly his way. As far as I see it, Trump could cure cancer and the Democrats and media will find some reason why that's a bad thing. But they don't hold a single Democrat to the same impossible standard they do Trump. Because to many democrats, they only care about the rhetoric, not action of effectiveness. I 1000% bet that if Trump ran as a democrat, he'd be hailed as the 2nd coming of Christ.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Wow, so much nit picking. If anyone thinks politics is an exact exchange, they have some history to review. No president gives exactly what they promise, because politics is about compromise and working together.[

The claim being made in the OP was that we all have to give Trump props because he's the only President in history to keep all of his campaign promises. I simply pointed out one extremely obvious example of how that's not true.

If you look at it general, Trump still put a physical barrier, and had attempted everything he's promised.

Evidently, you agree that American taxpayer money for a barrier is not exactly what was promised.

The thing is that the claims being made about Trump's awesomeness in this thread are blatantly and obviously false, just like many of the things Trump himself says. His appeal begins to make sense.

 

[Maou]

The claim being made in the OP was that we all have to give Trump props because he's the only President in history to keep all of his campaign promises. I simply pointed out one extremely obvious example of how that's not true.



Evidently, you agree that American taxpayer money for a barrier is not exactly what was promised.

The thing is that the claims being made about Trump's awesomeness in this thread are blatantly and obviously false, just like many of the things Trump himself says. His appeal begins to make sense.

You seem to operate under the assumption most people who voted for Trump, expected very good results. I would argue hardly anyone who votes for someone, expect decent results. They vote for the idea, and what they believe in, more than they do consistant results. Trump supporters are no different. The reason everyone praises Trump, is because he has produced more results that what was expected. That is literally it. This generates a loyalty, and can you blame that? Everyone exaggerates when they are excited, and I would argue objectively Trump has performed exponentially well, compared to what people expected. This, on top of the hyper transparency, makes it appear worse than it is. This is the first time the media has reported so thoroughly on one person. So to someone who follow politics, it might seem normal. But to normal people, they notice the difference.

 

[ceecee]

You seem to operate under the assumption most people who voted for Trump, expected very good results. I would argue hardly anyone who votes for someone, expect decent results. They vote for the idea, and what they believe in, more than they do consistant results. Trump supporters are no different. The reason everyone praises Trump, is because he has produced more results that what was expected. That is literally it. This generates a loyalty, and can you blame that? Everyone exaggerates when they are excited, and I would argue objectively Trump has performed exponentially well, compared to what people expected. This, on top of the hyper transparency, makes it appear worse than it is. This is the first time the media has reported so thoroughly on one person. So to someone who follow politics, it might seem normal. But to normal people, they notice the difference.

I love your posts. You write pages of bullet points on how much you don't care, why you don't care and how objective you are, since anyone who doesn't care obvious takes this much time to try to convince others that they don't care.

 

[Maou]

I love your posts. You write pages of bullet points on how much you don't care, why you don't care and how objective you are, since anyone who doesn't care obvious takes this much time to try to convince others that they don't care.

I don't remember directly saying I don't care about everything, nor do I ever think I said I said I was always objective. I may not care to always argue, but that doesn't mean I don't feel the urge to say something once in a while. Which in my opinion, I have improved on significantly. I know its a losing battle to debate with you guys, so I am not trying to convince you. It is just seen as that way, because you don't understand the reasons behind my posting. It's honestly just being a voice, even if I am not heard. It is better than no opposition, or no agreement. Also, generalizing is a bad habit of mine, and I do need to learn to elaborate more.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Taxpayer-funded barrier != building a wall and Mexico paying for it

You seem to operate under the assumption most people who voted for Trump, expected very good results.

Um, the OP was praising Trump for achieving very good results. Maybe he's not "most people" (which I doubt), but I'm not responding to "most people." I'm responding to him.

Keep your eye on the ball.