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    Quote Originally Posted by asynartetic View Post
    Are we talking ownership by a central/federal government or ownership/management by local/municipal government? I feel like I need a little more nuance and specification in order to answer this. Seems like you're looking for a very either/or type of response from people.

    Ideally I'd rather see something along the lines of what libertarian socialists and left-libertarians would advocate for.

    Central and local government is here in the same mix. Especially since in the example/country I used the two are pretty interconncted. Here there are no states, so let's pretend that whole government is just one administrative body. In other words everything that isn't private property and works purely or perhaps mostly on market principles should get a plus. Since the question is: what from the list would you leave to the pure market forces ?



    I have opened this thread due to curiosity about what would people with more capitalistic upbringing than myself leave fully to the market. Since my government is under pressures to make the country more market friendly (is that good or bad is different pair of shoes). I am simply trying to learn something.

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    Im all fine with publically owned things, but the maintenence costs have to come from somewhere. So I surmise you all have a means of paying for it without just piling on taxes to people who do not agree with your assertions.

    The solution is simple. You opt in with your money, and you get the benefits. You do not opt in, and you do not get the benefits. You can only spend what the community agrees on. If the community thinks it is a waste, you will not have it. Pretty easy to understand. But of course some of you will be think that many of these things should exist regardless. Im here to say it isn't going to work like that.

    Not to mention much of these are already public. You just have to pay for them...because maintenance. Things like the "public" library. Public =/= no one takes care of it. Someone has to do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Exolvuntur View Post
    Im all fine with publically owned things, but the maintenence costs have to come from somewhere. So I surmise you all have a means of paying for it without just piling on taxes to people who do not agree with your assertions.

    The solution is simple. You opt in with your money, and you get the benefits. You do not opt in, and you do not get the benefits. You can only spend what the community agrees on. If the community thinks it is a waste, you will not have it. Pretty easy to understand. But of course some of you will be think that many of these things should exist regardless. Im here to say it isn't going to work like that.

    Not to mention much of these are already public. You just have to pay for them...because maintenance. Things like the "public" library. Public =/= no one takes care of it. Someone has to do it.

    But it isn't that simple.
    What if government owns a company but it puts it out there on the market, like the rest of them ? Basically the government is a shareholder.

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    Libraries +
    Highway system +
    Hydro-electric plants
    Prisons +
    Phone/internet company / but with a healthy does of oversight and regulation
    TV station
    Coal power plant not sure but needs heavy oversight and regulation either way
    Factory for household machines / but depending on the type of emissions/byproducts, they need oversight and regulation
    Big name sport clubs /
    Post offices +
    Fire department +
    Nuclear power plants
    Ferry line company
    Railway company /
    Railways +
    Energy distribution
    Super market chain /
    Police stations +
    Hotels /
    Museums either
    Water distribution network +
    Monuments +
    Natural gas distribution
    Radio stations /
    Hospitals
    Oil company / but with oversight and regulation
    Intercity bus stations
    Train stations
    Ports
    Empty office buildings /
    Old castles
    Health insurance company +
    National parks +
    Vaccine factory but needs plenty of oversight
    Schools both
    Colleges/universities both are fine
    Tourist info centers
    Weapons factory
    Airports
    Bazaar style markets /
    Land/soil for crops / but needs oversight and regulation
    Official cars
    Fertilizer factory / but needs oversight and regulation
    Large printing shop /
    Zoo
    Garbage gathering companies
    Water purification plants preferably +
    Public transportation system
    Tourist agencies /
    Commercial bank / but needs oversight and regulation
    Advanced science research institute /
    Graveyard management /
    Fair hangars
    Air line company / but again, needs oversight and regulation
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    based on my answers, it's obvious I prefer privatization with plenty of oversight and regulation.

    Unfortunately a lot of republicans in the US see no middle ground, they just want to privatize everything and have barely any regulation or oversight. That's just naïve. If we lived in a fair and perfect world, we wouldn't need oversight and regulations, but realistically, there's tons of historical examples of lack of regulations and oversight leading to horrible circumstances like child labor abuses, etc.

    I would think republicans in general and conservatives in particular, who love to look back to the past for guidance, would understand the importance of looking at past failures and successes and learn accordingly.

    I'm not excusing the democrats of course. Some of their proposals are ridiculous, for instance Hillary Clinton's suggestion that gun manufacturers be sued and held liable for deaths in mass school shootings. That's a terrible idea that plays on appeals to the emotions of those most directly affected by gun violence. It would be like suing Chevrolet after the Toronto Van Attack.
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    Public property? Well, that's quite a limited concept, unless you happen to live in a region that continues to frustrate the IMF.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sLiPpY View Post
    Public property? Well, that's quite a limited concept, unless you happen to live in a region that continues to frustrate the IMF.
    That actually rings quite a few bells.
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    I'm going to throw out a curve ball and see what people say. Here it goes - packaging manufacture. Sound odd? Hear me out, think there could be massive environmental benefits from privatised packaging manufacture. Specifically, I'm thinking plastic packaging. The trouble with plastic is that while many of them are theoretically easy to recycle, it practice most of them are very hard because they are so hard to sort from each other mechanically. Sure, you can sort them by hand, but the profit margin vanishes unless you are using virtual slave labour. Nobody wants to do it, and you end up with huge amounts of plastic waste.

    However, if the law required all plastic packages to come from a central source, conforming to pre-set sizes and shapes, things get much easier. The packages can be sorted by shape and weight. If need be, certain designs could have steel strips built in, enabling them to be sorted magnetically. Much of the packaging could be washed and then reused, and the rest sent for recycling according to material type. I think the environmental benefits could be huge. Of course, many manufacturers wouldn't like it - they are found of their distinctive designs - but that is what government regulations are for. To get people to do things that benefit the collective rather than just the person doing it (hopefully).
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