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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    I tend to find a lot of those books to be pretty similar, publishing houses have different formats and that they recycle and commission, or so it seems. A lot of books on various non-fiction topics seem like collections of journalistic research, they really, really vary in terms of how well the narrative flows as well.
    yeah, I don't see the value in dropping 10 to 20 bucks on those types of books when a lot of it is recycled wisdom from classic writings like Plato, Lao Tzu, the Stoics, etc.

    If I see something like that for 1 or 2 dollars in a thrift store then I might pick it up.

    I remember when The Secret was the flavor of the year, everyone was buying it, and then there was some self-help/actualization guru, I wish I could remember his name, but he was on a PBS special several years back and a lot of his words sounded like things I'd read in old philosophy and eastern religion books, only repackaged for a new audience. But you'd think these writers were offering new insights based on how people talked up their books.

    I'm not saying these sorts of things don't have some value, just that it's often recycled wisdom for a new market.

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    Quote Originally Posted by asynartetic View Post
    yeah, I don't see the value in dropping 10 to 20 bucks on those types of books when a lot of it is recycled wisdom from classic writings like Plato, Lao Tzu, the Stoics, etc.

    If I see something like that for 1 or 2 dollars in a thrift store then I might pick it up.

    I remember when The Secret was the flavor of the year, everyone was buying it, and then there was some self-help/actualization guru, I wish I could remember his name, but he was on a PBS special several years back and a lot of his words sounded like things I'd read in old philosophy and eastern religion books, only repackaged for a new audience. But you'd think these writers were offering new insights based on how people talked up their books.

    I'm not saying these sorts of things don't have some value, just that it's often recycled wisdom for a new market.
    My pet peeve is paying for and reading content which I think is probably recycled from free sources or journalism online. Like if you read books and you know about as much or learn about as much as you would have spending two or three hours reading wikis, its been a waste of both time and money.

    If some book or author is "on fire" nothing surer than you'll find it in the thrift store or in the bargain bin soon enough, I'm usually happy to wait until then.

    The Secret I actually hate, I read the original source for much of that mumbo jumbo and I couldnt believe it, I was shocked that lots of individuals were like quick to jump on trendy, atheist, religion damning bandwagons but couldnt see that things like The Secret, Power of Attraction, Cosmic Ordering etc. are even worse, even more mumbo jumbo and superstitious than the more prosaic religions they'd so readily poured scorn on.

    I thought Alan Watts was totally one of the second hand dealers in ideas but there are others, I dont like how some authors target younger well meaning readers with over complex and impenetrable texts to shift books, Marcuse was like that.
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    that voice :/

    They need to dub over him with like hmm, James Earl Jones.

    Quote Originally Posted by Spectre View Post
    I have just started reading Jordan Peterson's book, "12 rules for life - An antidote to chaos".

    In the book he presents 12 rules as follows.

    Rule 1 Stand up straight with your shoulders back

    Rule 2 Treat yourself like you would someone you are responsible for helping

    Rule 3 Make friends with people who want the best for you

    Rule 4 Compare yourself with who you were yesterday, not with who someone else is today

    Rule 5 Do not let your children do anything that makes you dislike them

    Rule 6 Set your house in perfect order before you criticise the world

    Rule 7 Pursue what is meaningful (not what is expedient)

    Rule 8 Tell the truth – or, at least, don’t lie

    Rule 9 Assume that the person you are listening to might know something you don’t

    Rule 10 Be precise in your speech

    Rule 11 Do not bother children when they are skate-boarding

    Rule 12 Pet a cat when you encounter one on the street

    Have anyone read or is currently reading the book?

    What do you think the twelve rules for life should be?

    Do you have any other thoughts about the book?
    So much of this just really seems regurgitated from what others who have come before have said, just slightly worded differently enough to not get hit by the plagiarism police.

    Pet a cat on the street? lol. where does this guy live? Lollipop farms? That and the skateboarding comment come off to me as trying to make something profound that doesn't have a right to be so.

    1. emily post
    2. oprah
    3. 90% of self help books already out
    4. a harvard valedictorian speech
    5. idk
    6. jesus
    7. 90% of self help books already out
    8. sesame street
    9. oprah
    10. every debate class ever
    11. common sense?
    12. i guess 12 rules sounds better than 11?

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    #12 was originally Steve Irwin's rule, only instead of cats, he was talking about pythons and crocodiles.

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    There's a really good book by an author Oliver Burkeman called The Antidote: Happiness for people who can't stand positive thinking, if you're going to spend some time reading, I would recommend that book.

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    This sexi hapa girl:
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    The hit pieces keep flowing out. Vox just published one with (extremely) tenuous connections to white supremacist thinking, connections that evaporate as soon as one does any real investigation and learns Peterson's viewpoint. I saw another piece alleging anti-Semitism, and if I remember correctly, the reason it gave was his fascination with studying authoritarian regimes and the holocaust--by that same logic, I must have homicidal tendencies because I am interested in reading about serial killers and ascertaining what makes them want to kill.

    Again, a deeper read of Peterson's views shows how laughable these sorts of claims are. Either these writers aren't doing their research, or they're being knowingly dishonest and deceptive. Highly unethical "journalism". It's one thing to present a balanced view. The NYT Weiss article did that, it didn't let Peterson and his peers like Sam Harris "off the hook" but rather considered both perspectives. My main disagreement with Weiss, is that I don't think these so-called "dark web intellectuals" are being silenced so much as they're being misrepresented in a lot of print and TV media.

    The NBC segment was particularly amusing, they labelled him "alt right intellectual" right out of the gate and didn't bother to mention his criticisms of right wing identity politics, particularly in the wake of the Charlottesville violence last year.

    No matter, he's so careful with his words that even when interviews are cut down and his words presented out of context in an attempt to make him look like an extremist ideologue, the end result still doesn't have that desired effect. I think he learned after the channel 4 interview how easily he can brush these sort of hits off and still come out looking better.

    Why are people so afraid of him?

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    Quote Originally Posted by asynartetic View Post
    Why are people so afraid of him?
    Same reason the pharisees were afraid of Christ.
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