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    Quote Originally Posted by Beorn View Post
    They knew why this or any other scientific fact would actually have meaning beyond just being a piece of information.
    What is interesting is that we haven't yet created a meaning for the accelerating expansion of time and space. I wonder what meaning we will create.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mole View Post
    What is interesting is that we haven't yet created a meaning for the accelerating expansion of time and space. I wonder what meaning we will create.
    I think the question Beorn was asking is: Why does there have to be any meaning applied to the acceleration of time and space?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ojian View Post
    I think the question Beorn was asking is: Why does there have to be any meaning applied to the acceleration of time and space?
    Because we are meaning creating. animals, we are lost without meaning, and will keep on searching until we find it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mole View Post
    The Trinity was created by theology and it was as only in 1998 we discovevered the universe is accelerating away from every point in every point direction. The theologians did not know this.
    To account for this, theories called "Dark Energy" and "Dark Matter" were later developed.



    In other words, "What is Dark Matter? I don't know, but it has mass and it's invisible. We can't see it, but we know it's there."

    Perhaps another one of the great and holy mysteries waiting to be solved.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mole View Post
    Because we are meaning creating. animals, we are lost without meaning, and will keep on searching until we find it.
    That's assuming meaning is created arbitrarily.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Isk Stark View Post
    To account for this, theories called "Dark Energy" and "Dark Matter" were later developed. In other words, "What is Dark Matter? I don't know, but it has mass and it's invisible. We can't see it, but we know it's there." Perhaps another one of the great and holy mysteries waiting to be solved. That's assuming meaning is created arbitrarily.
    Quote Originally Posted by Isk Stark View Post
    To account for this, theories called "Dark Energy" and "Dark Matter" were later developed. In other words, "What is Dark Matter? I don't know, but it has mass and it's invisible. We can't see it, but we know it's there." Perhaps another one of the great and holy mysteries waiting to be solved. That's assuming meaning is created arbitrarily.
    Meaning defines homo sapiens but not other animals
    And it is in mythology we will find a meaning for the accelerating expansion of time and space.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mole View Post
    Meaning defines homo sapiens but not other animals
    And it is in mythology we will find a meaning for the accelerating expansion of time and space.
    Maybe? Perhaps most of the relevant meanings of life has been covered by the current, terrestrial myths. Universal expansion may not have any myths attributed to it because the fact of the matter is inconsequential to daily life on earth. Maybe when we start star hopping will our youngins grow up listening to meanings of expansion? Then again, not every scientific find needs a corresponding “meaning” assigned to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Isk Stark View Post
    Maybe? Perhaps most of the relevant meanings of life has been covered by the current, terrestrial myths. Universal expansion may not have any myths attributed to it because the fact of the matter is inconsequential to daily life on earth. Maybe when we start star hopping will our youngins grow up listening to meanings of expansion? Then again, not every scientific find needs a corresponding “meaning” assigned to it.
    In the light of scientific discoveries our mythologies are becoming less believable, becoming less plausible, and it is becoming harder to suspend our disbelief. This is reflected in the growing number of those on the census who describe themselves as "No Religion". In fact we are looking for new mythologies which take account of scientific knowledge, and so become believable, plausible, and enable us to suspend our disbelief.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mole View Post
    In the light of scientific discoveries our mythologies are becoming less believable, becoming less plausible, and it is becoming harder to suspend our disbelief. This is reflected in the growing number of those on the census who describe themselves as "No Religion". In fact we are looking for new mythologies which take account of scientific knowledge, and so become believable, plausible, and enable us to suspend our disbelief.
    Of course, from your perspective, and many wonder why none in the secular/non-religious realm are able to effectively repel radical Islamic terror, for instance.

    Let's just say, for the sake of argument, that the expansion/acceleration of the universe has already been accounted for in the language of the spirit:


    Scientific discoveries rather facilitate spiritual maturity/growth. The two certainly speak separate languages: Material (adj) and Spiritual, and the frequent miscommunication and misunderstanding of the two is an all too common product of Western Scholasticism.

    For the purpose of staying on topic, lets disregard for now the invocation of argumentum ad populum, and that Ideological Nones have their own material beliefs that they hold to "religiously."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Isk Stark View Post
    Of course, from your perspective, and many wonder why none in the secular/non-religious realm are able to effectively repel radical Islamic terror, for instance. Let's just say, for the sake of argument, that the expansion/acceleration of the universe has already been accounted for in the language of the spirit: Scientific discoveries rather facilitate spiritual maturity/growth. The two certainly speak separate languages: Material (adj) and Spiritual, and the frequent miscommunication and misunderstanding of the two is an all too common product of Western Scholasticism. For the purpose of staying on topic, lets disregard for now the invocation of argumentum ad populum, and that Ideological Nones have their own material beliefs that they hold to "religiously."
    Our old mythologies are becoming less believable, so we need to create new mythologies. A good place to start is "Creative Mythology" by Joseph Campbell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mole View Post
    Our old mythologies are becoming less believable, so we need to create new mythologies. A good place to start is "Creative Mythology" by Joseph Campbell.
    We already have modern mythologies in the form of superheroes and transformers. The Star Wars mythos seems to be really popular right now. Jedism is a religion built around that.

    Comic book superheroes: the gods of modern mythology | Books | The Guardian
    Modern Mythology: What Superheroes Can Show Us About Humanity | Owlcation

    My personal favorite has always been The Punisher.

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