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    Quote Originally Posted by ceecee View Post
    With MY evidences of god. You. Not me, not any other person on this planet. Get that through your head right now. The rest of your post is only relevant to you. Again, not to me or any other person on this planet. It's not even that I necessarily disagree with all you listed. I disagree with your self-righteous tone and belief that you know better than anyone else. You do not.
    also, this isn't my tone of voice, im jotting down and copying word for word words from fethullah gulen's book. he's a scholar of religion. i mentioned that in my post, no?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mole View Post
    Ask the simple question, how many Muslim's hold a Noble Prize in Science?
    instead, ask yourself this.....how many medieval european scientists are there, back when europe was ruled by the church? now ask yourself this.....how many prized muslim scientists where there, in the medieval era, the era of the caliphate? The nobel prize was only invented in 1895. islam started in 610 ce. the last caliphate, the ottoman caliphate came under occupation after world war in 1918, and officially ended after the takeover of ataturk in 1924.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warrior View Post
    OK WAIT! I'e been meaning to say this for a LONG time now, but enough's enough, I'm going to address all the atheists and new atheists and agnostics, with my evidences of God.
    The teachings of faith bestow knowledge upon the followers of God, and one of them is to never lose patience, nor show distraught towards who don't believe. Ain't God an infinite source of mercy? If he's The all-Merciful, The Mercy-Giving, one should not hasten a non-believer even after the longest while.

    "You (O Muhammad SAW) guide not whom you like, but Allah guides whom He wills. And He knows best those who are the guided." {Al-Qasas,28:56}

    Your statements should not come from a place of lack of compassion, but from that place inside of you of abundant understanding. See things through their eyes, don't judge anyone, and don't take it personally.

    One of the many examples of patience and compassion we have:

    But this wasn't the end of it, the three brothers then commanded their slaves and the youth to ridicule the Prophet (S.A.W) and make fun of him. Also, to physically harm him by throwing stones at him, by pelting him as he was leaving the city. So, the Prophet (S.A.W) was forced to leave the city while the people are ridiculing him, insulting him, and throwing stones at him, so much so that the blood began to pour from his body and that his shoes became soaked with his own blood. As he ran outside the city, he himself narrates to Aishaa, 'that I could not remember where I was going'. He was in such a state of shock that he did not know where he was until he reached a garden a few kilometers outside of Taif. The people of Taif had stopped chasing him, and he sat down, tired and bleeding, being tortured and humiliated by the people of Taif, all alone under a tree. There he (S.A.W) made a dua (call) to Allah (S.W.T) and said:

    "O Allah! I complain to You of my weakness, my scarcity of resources and the humiliation I have been subjected to by the people. O Most Merciful of those who are merciful. O Lord of the weak and my Lord too. To whom have you entrusted me? To a distant person who receives me with hostility? Or to an enemy to whom you have granted authority over my affair? So long as You are not angry with me, I do not care. Your favor is of a more expansive relief to me. I seek refuge in the light of Your Face by which all darkness is dispelled and every affair of this world and the next is set right, lest Your anger or Your displeasure descends upon me. I desire Your pleasure and satisfaction until You are pleased. There is no power and no might except by You."

    At this point, the Prophet (S.A.W) said 'I saw a cloud hovering above me, and lo and behold, I saw Jibreel (Angel Gabriel) came down from that cloud, and besides him was an angel that I had never seen before.' And Jibreel said to the Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W), 'O Muhammad (S.A.W), your Lord has seen how your people have responded to you, your Lord has seen what they have said to you, so he has sent me with the angel of the mountains to place at your disposal.'

    The angel said, 'O Muhammad (S.A.W), if you want, command me and I will cause the two mountains of Taif to collapse upon them.' (For those of you who don't know, Taif is situated on some type of plateau, and the city is in between these two mountains, and the angel asked the Prophet (S.A.W) if he should just squash the people between the same mountains whose pebbles they used to stone the Prophet (S.A.W) with.)

    The Prophet (S.A.W), still bleeding and his shoes still wet with blood says, 'No! Rather, I pray that Allah (S.W.T) blesses their children to be Muslims and worship Allah (S.W.T) alone. Even if they have rejected Islam, I pray that Allah (S.W.T) blesses their progeny to be Muslim.'
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coriolis View Post
    You demean God by subjecting him to human standards of physical evidence. Your belief in him is enough, but cannot be made more than it is.
    hold up.....atheists can demean God all they want by calling him a "sycophantic narcissistic bully" (Richard dawkins), a "cold blooded murderer", a "genocidal maniac" and generally non existent, and also use homophobia, sexism, "racism" "anti semitism" to demean him, but IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII AM demeaning him by (trying to) proving his existence (mostly using an actual scholar's words)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sacrophagus View Post
    The teachings of faith bestow knowledge upon the followers of God, and one of them is to never lose patience, nor show distraught towards who don't believe. Ain't God an infinite source of mercy? If he's The all-Merciful, The Mercy-Giving, one should not hasten a non-believer even after the longest while.

    "You (O Muhammad SAW) guide not whom you like, but Allah guides whom He wills. And He knows best those who are the guided." {Al-Qasas,28:56}

    Your statements should not come from a place of lack of compassion, but from that place inside of you of abundant understanding. See things through their eyes, don't judge anyone, and don't take it personally.

    One of the many examples of patience and compassion we have:
    say, thank you........those are wise words, ill follow them......say are you a man or a woman, i dont know whether to refer to you as 'brother' or 'sister'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warrior View Post
    hold up.....atheists can demean God all they want by calling him a "sycophantic narcissistic bully" (Richard dawkins), a "cold blooded murderer", a "genocidal maniac" and generally non existent, and also use homophobia, sexism, "racism" "anti semitism" to demean him, but IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII AM demeaning him by (trying to) proving his existence (mostly using an actual scholar's words)?
    You can no more prove his existence than atheists can prove his nonexistence. Either viewpoint is a matter of faith. The only logically defensible position is agnosticism, but I have yet to meet a believer of any faith who finds logic sufficient in spiritual matters.
    Though the ground was burnt and everything turned into ashes, we will revive again. The sky is still blue, the crashing waves from long ago are unchanged. This is Earth, our planet. This dream is in the hearts of people; so long as they do not abandon it, it will not fade away. For the sake of tomorrow, keep a song in your heart. For the sake of our future, let us stop our crying and stand on our ground firmly. ~Maya
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    Quote Originally Posted by nor View Post
    Does a person who has neither heard nor thought of the concept of a god (thereby making them an atheist, by default) claim knowledge about the existence of said? To *all* the agnostics: Is god knowable? And for extra credit: How do you know?
    When they are mowing us down in our streets, it is time to remember Winston Churchill, and "We will never. surrender".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warrior View Post
    hold up.....atheists can demean God all they want by calling him a "sycophantic narcissistic bully" (Richard dawkins), a "cold blooded murderer", a "genocidal maniac" and generally non existent, and also use homophobia, sexism, "racism" "anti semitism" to demean him, but IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII AM demeaning him by (trying to) proving his existence (mostly using an actual scholar's words)?
    3,000 years ago at the beginning of the West, the Ancient Greeks discovered that supernatural beings were natural forces. This why Islam rejects Ancient Greek culture and the West.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warrior View Post
    instead, ask yourself this.....how many medieval european scientists are there, back when europe was ruled by the church? now ask yourself this.....how many prized muslim scientists where there, in the medieval era, the era of the caliphate? The nobel prize was only invented in 1895. islam started in 610 ce. the last caliphate, the ottoman caliphate came under occupation after world war in 1918, and officially ended after the takeover of ataturk in 1924.
    The Ottoman Empire known as the Caliphate surrendered to General Harry Chauvel of the Australian Light Horse in Damascus in 1918.

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    God doesn't award degrees to religious scholars lol. Man does.

    *runs off before domino effect of mind blows appear in 3... 2... 1...*

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