Sharia

[Justin of Flavia Neapolis]

I think Jesus was a historical figure just that the sacrifice is not a historical event.

Crucifixion = "sacrifice"?

Or the crucifixion altogether is not historical?

[Typh0n]

Crucifixion = "sacrifice"?

Or the crucifixion altogether is not historical?

Crucifixion equals execution, not sacrifice.

Not sure what you're asking here.

[Justin of Flavia Neapolis]

Crucifixion equals execution, not sacrifice.

Not sure what you're asking here.

Just ascertaining whether you believe the crucifixion took place at all. For you, the crucifixion equals execution. For me, the crucifixion equals an act of Love, ie: sacrifice.

[Metis]

(addressed to Warrior) It sounds to me like an Islamic Warrior taking Islamic propaganda for granted, and believes we should too.

you didn't help found or fund jack squat @Mole I call secular taqiyyah, big time! I call BS!

How often disagreement degenerate into personal attacks here! Why is that?

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[Lark]

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He doesnt see it.

[Warrior]

He doesnt see it.

Did I do something wrong?

[Coriolis]

Hmm, yeah.

I used that in the popular sense, the three faiths of "the book", its interesting that there are people seeking to divorce islam from that triad because I largely believe if islam in its entirety did disappear, not simply political islam but all islam, then the next target would be Christianity, some success has occured already for the enemies of Christianity on that front.

I do think that Islam is a heresy of Christianity, in the main I agree with Hilaire Belloc's account of that.

I suppose all this hinges on how you define "heresy". I see Christianity as a reform movement of Judaism, just as Bahai faith is a reform movement of Islam. Four "religions of the book".

Crucifixion equals execution, not sacrifice.

Not sure what you're asking here.

Exactly. I think there probably was a historical Jesus, and if he did even half the things attributed to him, it is also likely that he met an untimely and violent end at the hands of the local authorities. If crucifixion was the usual method, then he probably suffered it. IME it is all irrelevant to his teaching and life example,

[Metis]

Did I do something wrong?

I was pointing out that he was being kind of silly by accusing you of personal attacks when it seemed like he did it first. I don't want to perseverate on the issue, though. I don't think you should worry about it or take it personally.

its interesting that there are people seeking to divorce islam from that triad because I largely believe if islam in its entirety did disappear, not simply political islam but all islam, then the next target would be Christianity

That's an interesting thought. I heard a similar defense of Christianity from one Muslim, in that he thought that the Catholic church was being undermined from outside of it, with some of the priest pedophelia scandal stuff. I don't believe that that was coming from outside of it, but it was interesting how protective he was of all "people of the book" religions as well as the Sikh religion, which he liked. He seemed concerned about the idea that people were losing religious values, and that religion itself was under attack, as he saw it. If the next target were Christianity, who do you think would be targeting it?