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    Quote Originally Posted by Isk Stark View Post
    Perhaps the creative emotion behind the art(?). I'm not an artist so I can't really speak on that, but emotion would be my answer to the question of the difference behind genuine and simulated art.
    What if robots/androids/AI organisms develop emotions in the distant future? And why is emotion a requisite for the creation of art?

    (I'm not trying to be contentious or shoot you down, I'm just trying to get a better grasp of this whole debate and topic)

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    I find people preaching this or that is ‘impossible’ because apparently they’re experts on the subject quite amusing. We have no clue what is or isn’t possible when it comes to technology. We know what is or isn’t possible with current technology. Take a trip back to 1917 and ask them what they thought will never be possible. Our level of technology isn’t sitting idle, it’s evolving constantly, far faster than ever before in human history. I think of my childhood in the 70’s and 80’s and think of all the advancements that have taken place in just four and a half decades. Now imagine 2117.
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    Quote Originally Posted by asynartetic View Post
    What if robots/androids/AI organisms develop emotions in the distant future? And why is emotion a requisite for the creation of art?

    (I'm not trying to be contentious or shoot you down, I'm just trying to get a better grasp of this whole debate and topic)
    So, what if they do? My point isn't that emotion is the only requisite for personhood. It's a lot deeper than that, I'd think. I used emotion as an example.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Population: 1 View Post
    I find people preaching this or that is ‘impossible’ because apparently they’re experts on the subject quite amusing. We have no clue what is or isn’t possible when it comes to technology. We know what is or isn’t possible with current technology. Take a trip back to 1917 and ask them what they thought will never be possible. Our level of technology isn’t sitting idle, it’s evolving constantly, far faster than ever before in human history. I think of my childhood in the 70’s and 80’s and think of all the advancements that have taken place in just four and a half decades. Now imagine 2117.
    This has been my thought when discussing transhumanism and the possibility of advanced AI and hypothetical technologies like warp drive. People might have laughed at Da Vinci for imagining flying machines. No one laughed at the Wright Brothers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Isk Stark View Post
    So, what if they do? My point isn't that emotion is the only requisite for personhood. It's a lot deeper than that, I'd think. I used emotion as an example.
    I'm just trying to get a grasp on why emotion is the requisite for genuine vs simulated art.

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    Quote Originally Posted by asynartetic View Post
    I'm just trying to get a grasp on why emotion is the requisite for genuine vs simulated art.
    Like I said, I'm not an artist myself, so...yeah.

    In my humble opinion, I'd say art is a "tangible representation of human emotion"(?). That's what it seems like to me, anyways. Does music not evoke emotions? Film? Photography? Stuff like that.

    There are humans that simulate emotions, too. We call them psychopaths, or introverts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Isk Stark View Post
    Like I said, I'm not an artist myself, so...yeah.

    In my humble opinion, I'd say art is a "tangible representation of human emotion"(?). That's what it seems like to me, anyways. Does music not evoke emotions? Film? Photography? Stuff like that.

    There are humans that simulate emotions, too. We call them psychopaths, or introverts.
    Have you looked at the links I shared earlier regarding philosophical zombies? It's not exactly about robots but I think it's somewhat connected to this topic.


    I would agree emotion fuels a lot of art. I'm not sure if it is always the case that art is a representation of emotion.

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    Maybe we aren't pushing ourselves far enough here, maybe this needs a new angle... can a person become a robot? And if they can and do, can they be used and treated like property. If so, is this already happening? Has it happened to you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Isk Stark View Post
    Humanity is a lot more complex than AI could ever dream to be. For instance, can an AI believe in a "God?" Religiosity is as human as art and tribal warfare. That would be difficult to program.
    So people who don't believe in God aren't real humans?

    Quote Originally Posted by Isk Stark View Post
    The trope about the professional artist hitting a creative wall due to a lack of feeling comes to mind. Writer's Block. Stuff like that. Emotion needs to be involved somehow, doesn't it?
    So you see emotion as distinctly human? I have read that (at least) some animals also experience emotion. Does that qualify them for human status?

    These are not sensible or workable criteria for humanity.

    Quote Originally Posted by Qlip View Post
    Maybe we aren't pushing ourselves far enough here, maybe this needs a new angle... [b]can a person become a robot?]/b] And if they can and do, can they be used and treated like property. If so, is this already happening? Has it happened to you?
    A worthwhile question. Years ago I had a temp job doing data entry in a mail order company. I sat near the people taking orders over the phone. Their side of the conversations - the side I could hear - was entirely predictable; a pleasant female voice reciting numbers over the phone. I had exactly that impression then, namely that we would sooner turn people into robots than the opposite.
    I've been called a criminal, a terrorist, and a threat to the known universe. But everything you were told is a lie. The truth is, they've taken our freedom, our home, and our future. The time has come for all humanity to take a stand...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coriolis View Post
    So people who don't believe in God aren't real humans?
    This is a foolish question.

    So you see emotion as distinctly human? I have read that (at least) some animals also experience emotion. Does that qualify them for human status?
    And another one.

    These are not sensible or workable criteria for humanity.
    Never said that was the only criteria, but from the looks of it being human is hard work for some people just as another poster said on page two.

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