The Value of Diversity

[Poki]

Libertarians are the most tolerant demographic; I don't really care what a person believes as long as we don't let them in the country.



Very flawed individual, but I'd still vote for him over every Democrat. Personal morals are not as important as policy decisions; as we've seen with Trump, you can be a flip-flopping guy who insults people daily and still be a much better president than Obama and Carter.

You seem to be clueless how people following him and his style turns others to shit. And a country filled with shit people is shit no matter what policies are put in place.

You seem like a person who would be frustrated with having to deal with the world outside your bubble.

 

[Litvyak]

I find it always better to have knowledge, especially on matters where we are about to take action or render a judgment.

I see, it might be a matter of perspective. I'm an expat and, having lived in three very different countries, those threads of our common humanity you were referring to tend not to console me, everywhere I look, I see a contradiction between our promises to ourselves and our inability to live up to those expectations. This is a personal remark, mind you, not an argument of any kind.
To reiterate, there is no reason to assume that intercultural exchange is beneficial unless you assume that you'll probably be better off with a knowledge of culture x than without it. As you said, we disagree on this point; I sort of envy the explorers of early modernity who knew there was something "out there" without a knowledge of its contents. Alas, wherever we go, we can't help but find "threads of our common humanity".

 

[Lark]

You seem to be clueless how people following him and his style turns others to shit. And a country filled with shit people is shit no matter what policies are put in place.

You seem like a person who would be frustrated with having to deal with the world outside your bubble.

He seems to have a working bubble though doesnt he?

I always wonder about that sort of thing, as its got to be the case. Maybe its a retirement village but if its not what could it be, maybe the US just has stores of wealth and legacies like this, who knows.

I think Jaguar made his wealth from investing in Google shares and now he gambles shares each day for a "living", which is nice work if you can find it.

 

[Coriolis]

I see, it might be a matter of perspective. I'm an expat and, having lived in three very different countries, those threads of our common humanity you were referring to tend not to console me, everywhere I look, I see a contradiction between our promises to ourselves and our inability to live up to those expectations. This is a personal remark, mind you, not an argument of any kind.
To reiterate, there is no reason to assume that intercultural exchange is beneficial unless you assume that you'll probably be better off with a knowledge of culture x than without it. As you said, we disagree on this point; I sort of envy the explorers of early modernity who knew there was something "out there" without a knowledge of its contents. Alas, wherever we go, we can't help but find "threads of our common humanity".

Those common threads of humanity are not always positive, as human nature cuts both ways. Greed, cruelty, and selfishness are human constants as well as our more positive qualities. I am not an expat, but have travelled extensively. If we assume every culture has equal measure of good and bad, I still find it beneficial to be exposed to other cultures, because I can choose the positive aspects (relative to my personal needs and situation) and leave the rest.

 

[Litvyak]

If we assume every culture has equal measure of good and bad

As a sidenote: do you believe this to be true? Or true with certain qualifications? Or is this only a device for your last argument?
Would you claim that the once-flourishing Aztec culture and the contemporary cultures of the Anglosphere both have an equal measure of good and bad? What about Central African cultures?

 

[Jaguar]

You'd like a multi-ethnic mono-culture from the sound of it.

I'd just like to say that as a socialist I'd tolerate you Tellenbach, I'm not sure I could say the same operates in reverse most of the time with libertarians, usually more violent than Jaguar style evil rich guys, plus they cant spell in some of the pics I've seen of them posing with guns outside spray painted shops or homes during civil unrest or rioting.

What the fuck? lol.

 

[Lark]

What the fuck? lol.

I'd try and link the pic but for some reason that NEVER works for me on this site and it appears as an attachment or some other BS.

 

[Patches]

I'd try and link the pic but for some reason that NEVER works for me on this site and it appears as an attachment or some other BS.

Uncheck "Retrieve remote file and reference locally" under the URL box.

Or just manually type [image [/image (with end brackets) around the url after you copy/paste it into the text chat.

 

[Lark]

Uncheck "Retrieve remote file and reference locally" under the URL box.

Or just manually type [image [/image (with end brackets) around the url after you copy/paste it into the text chat.

Yeah, the URL is it from the image search and the the defined search, ie when you pick up the picture and enlarge it to it being only the picture on the screen?

Screw it I'm going to give it a try...

[image] Google Image Result for https://www.zoo-berlin.de/fileadmin/_processed_/4/4/csm_Meng_Meng_Baby_1_88cad0f74f.jpg [/image]

 

[Tellenbach]

You seem to be clueless how people following him and his style turns others to shit. And a country filled with shit people is shit no matter what policies are put in place.

You seem like a person who would be frustrated with having to deal with the world outside your bubble.

I value substance more than style and I don't buy the notion that he's changing or setting the tone of the nation. The people who are being shitty as you put it aren't Trump supporters; they're the anti-Trumpers.

How? "Flip-flopping" at least suggests inconsistency, even capriciousness, with nothing rooted in deeper principles. Regardless of one's political leanings, that doesn't sound like good governance. Also, do you see no connection between personal morals and the policy decisions an elected official would make or support?

Good governance means responsible handling of the economy and foreign affairs; it means having the discipline to enforce legislation that you don't agree with and it means putting America first. Obama was a feckless president who didn't understand how the economy worked and his foreign policy was a disaster that got many, many people killed (trading terrorists for a hostage, abandoning Iraq, letting Putin invade and annex Crimea, "leading from behind" on the Syrian war, creating a vacuum of power which led to the rise of ISIS).

Personal morals are important but they are less important that a person's ideological leanings; Carter was a very moral person, but he was a micro managing freak who created long gas lines with his price control policies. Herbert Hoover was another great guy but he started a trade war that precipitated the Great Depression. Bill Clinton was an alleged serial rapist who cheated on his wife hundreds of times, but he did a great job (with a GOP House) on the economy.

 

[Poki]

I value substance more than style and I don't buy the notion that he's changing or setting the tone of the nation. The people who are being shitty as you put it aren't Trump supporters; they're the anti-Trumpers.



Good governance means responsible handling of the economy and foreign affairs; it means having the discipline to enforce legislation that you don't agree with and it means putting America first. Obama was a feckless president who didn't understand how the economy worked and his foreign policy was a disaster that got many, many people killed (trading terrorists for a hostage, abandoning Iraq, letting Putin invade and annex Crimea, "leading from behind" on the Syrian war, creating a vacuum of power which led to the rise of ISIS).

Personal morals are important but they are less important that a person's ideological leanings; Carter was a very moral person, but he was a micro managing freak who created long gas lines with his price control policies. Herbert Hoover was another great guy but he started a trade war that precipitated the Great Depression. Bill Clinton was an alleged serial rapist who cheated on his wife hundreds of times, but he did a great job (with a GOP House) on the economy.

I am surrounded by Trump supporters...not to mention did you not see the groupie tribe mentality that he pushes at his supporters. And yes, its retaliated by the anti-trump...hence he turns people to shit. Both sides.

Ok...You value substance better then style...i never said anything about you...i simply said you are clueless about how others respond and he will turn others to shit. I also have no doubts you only see a small picture which doesnt suprise me that you just see anti-trump supporters being shit.

Its easy to determine a persons actions and policies by their ideological leanings. Trump is not only not moral he is a man-child with no solid understanding of anything not to mention what he thinks he understands is some half ass concotion he created or holds onto forbdear life in his little ego-driven wound licking narcisistic self.

If you represent libertarian i will never follow it. It seems like all it sees are small pictures in support of self.

 

[Tellenbach]

I am surrounded by Trump supporters...not to mention did you not see the groupie tribe mentality that he pushes at his supporters. And yes, its retaliated by the anti-trump...hence he turns people to shit. Both sides.

Both sides are not equal; that's the big flaw in your thinking and you've made it numerous times. When was the last time Trump supporters rioted or blocked traffic or burned down businesses or left tons of trash after a protest? Or how about shooting up a GOP baseball game? I don't see much difference in leftist behavior before or after Trump; they've been ill-behaved for decades.

 

[Poki]

Both sides are not equal; that's the big flaw in your thinking and you've made it numerous times. When was the last time Trump supporters rioted or blocked traffic or burned down businesses or left tons of trash after a protest? Or how about shooting up a GOP baseball game? I don't see much difference in leftist behavior before or after Trump; they've been ill-behaved for decades.

And Trump helps them be more behaved? Plus protests and riots are a blip on the radar. DFw metro area alone has 7.5 million people. We could supply a million man march and not miss a beat.

And you use a lone shooter as an example. You are a perfect candidate for being terrorized.

 

[Litvyak]

If I were a citizen of the US, I'd me more worried about how people on both ends of an obsolete political spectrum are losing friends, family members and the support of the other half of the populace over issues of political identity than concrete policies or the "value of diversity". But that's just me.

 

[sLiPpY]

If I were a citizen of the US, I'd me more worried about how people on both ends of an obsolete political spectrum are losing friends, family members and the support of the other half of the populace over issues of political identity than concrete policies or the "value of diversity". But that's just me.

Why worry? How can diversity be valued if it doesn't exist?

 

[1487610420]

overrated

 

[Litvyak]

Why worry? How can diversity be valued if it doesn't exist?

I have no idea what you're talking about. If this was meant as a rhetorical question, don't mind me.

 

[Lark]

Both sides are not equal; that's the big flaw in your thinking and you've made it numerous times. When was the last time Trump supporters rioted or blocked traffic or burned down businesses or left tons of trash after a protest? Or how about shooting up a GOP baseball game? I don't see much difference in leftist behavior before or after Trump; they've been ill-behaved for decades.

I'm surprised that libertarians dont like diversity, I'd have thought whatever resulted from a lack of state intervention was a great idea from your outlook.

 

[sLiPpY]

I have no idea what you're talking about. If this was meant as a rhetorical question, don't mind me.

I'm talking about "divide" the root cause and effect of "diversity." You'd beautifully defined what it actually is: "I'd me more worried about how people on both ends of an obsolete political spectrum are losing friends, family members and the support of the other half of the populace over issues of political identity than concrete policies or the "value of diversity"."

 

[Tellenbach]

I'm surprised that libertarians dont like diversity, I'd have thought whatever resulted from a lack of state intervention was a great idea from your outlook.

Depends on the diversity. I don't particularly care for hateful, destructive types of diversity. I'm sure most libertarians are law and order types; we like neat lawns and clean streets.