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When do ideas jump the shark?

Lark

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I'm interested in when you think ideas jump the shark?

I dont simply mean how ideas begin trending and move in and out of fashion or vogue, though I definitely think that is a thing and I'm interested in discovering more about that too, but the point at which an idea or concept reaches its "peak", like how some authors have been able to talk about "peak internet", "peak stuff", "peak memes", and signal "Now its fine to be tired of this" or "This is now ruined".

I'm interested also in the whole idea depicted in videos sending up hipster traits in which someone is portrayed as liking something until they discover someone else likes it and then declaiming them for "ruining" it, ie by discovering it too, and just what this means, are there points at which ideas fit in a cycle, from original/innovative to passe/commonplace, and when and whether someone can grasp the point of an idea in that cycle is really a form of signalling or status indicator?

Finally, this has been brought on by attention to the idea of mindfulness, I read old books from the fifties and sixties, when buddhism and meditation was only becoming popular in the west, psychoanalysis was beginning to wane and transcendentalism was on the rise instead, now these books use the word mindfulness and it seems really interesting, however, it seems to have become a publishing phenomenon and a catchphrase which sells and is at once panacea and prosaic. I dont think this has happened because its become commercially exploited/exploitable, that may be part of it and whether that's detested or not it unarguably has something to do with the wider spread or mass dissemination of the idea. However, instead of focusing on the fate of mindfulness alone I thought it could be seen as indicative of a wider phenomenon that happens with all ideas. What do you think?
 

Korvinagor

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I'm interested in when you think ideas jump the shark?

I dont simply mean how ideas begin trending and move in and out of fashion or vogue, though I definitely think that is a thing and I'm interested in discovering more about that too, but the point at which an idea or concept reaches its "peak", like how some authors have been able to talk about "peak internet", "peak stuff", "peak memes", and signal "Now its fine to be tired of this" or "This is now ruined".

I'm interested also in the whole idea depicted in videos sending up hipster traits in which someone is portrayed as liking something until they discover someone else likes it and then declaiming them for "ruining" it, ie by discovering it too, and just what this means, are there points at which ideas fit in a cycle, from original/innovative to passe/commonplace, and when and whether someone can grasp the point of an idea in that cycle is really a form of signalling or status indicator?

Finally, this has been brought on by attention to the idea of mindfulness, I read old books from the fifties and sixties, when buddhism and meditation was only becoming popular in the west, psychoanalysis was beginning to wane and transcendentalism was on the rise instead, now these books use the word mindfulness and it seems really interesting, however, it seems to have become a publishing phenomenon and a catchphrase which sells and is at once panacea and prosaic. I dont think this has happened because its become commercially exploited/exploitable, that may be part of it and whether that's detested or not it unarguably has something to do with the wider spread or mass dissemination of the idea. However, instead of focusing on the fate of mindfulness alone I thought it could be seen as indicative of a wider phenomenon that happens with all ideas. What do you think?

Just to clarify, you're essentially asking about why trends (AKA ideas) come and go, correct? I think you've summarised it well enough. Trends tend to work in parabolas - they rise, reach a critical mass, then fall out of favour for a while, only to surge in popularity once they are 'rediscovered'.
 

Lark

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Just to clarify, you're essentially asking about why trends (AKA ideas) come and go, correct? I think you've summarised it well enough. Trends tend to work in parabolas - they rise, reach a critical mass, then fall out of favour for a while, only to surge in popularity once they are 'rediscovered'.

Yes but what causes that? Are there crucial factors, such as commercialisation or mass attention, which occur as part of an identifiable process?
 

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Yes but what causes that? Are there crucial factors, such as commercialisation or mass attention, which occur as part of an identifiable process?

Well, I assume that we can generalize such factors to things contributing to whether a thing becomes a trend faster (and thus die out faster), or slower. I found an interesting link on the matter: Popularity Polynomial - TV Tropes

EDIT: I suppose I should apologize for any time wasted by linking to TV Tropes. But if it's any consolation, I'm a victim too.
 
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