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    Ran into some interesting stuff on Near Death Experiences and Out of Body experiences recently. Not normally something I pay attention to, but I found it interesting.

    Anyway, research has shown that they happen around the world and even to people who have zero brain activity. Atheists have had what is the typical NDE with bright light and seeing relatives. Greek philosophers first talked about the idea.

    It has been 40 years since researchers have seriously looked at phenomenon. They found these experiences in every culture and ethnicity and religion.

    So, the question for everyone is: Do you believe you will exist in some fashion after you die?
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    I believe everyone is right from the beginning already dead.
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    I have researched OBE's and Near Death Experiences as well... such things are dismissed without being looked into deeply enough.

    To happen after brain activity has stopped is clearly strange.

    Can't say either way. I would sooner think we just become a ghost stuck on earth forever, than go to another realm entirely with many others chilling there. Which would also suggest a god, and bring up more questions.

    Is everyone just losing their mind? That suggests a lot.

    The answer comes down to straight Yes or No.

    But you know. Maybe it's a bit more complicated than that
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    You do come back alive but in a different way. The carbon you was made up for instance will join the carbon cycle and then become part of a plant or anything that consumes the carbon. So that is basically a random version of the Hindu reincarnation. You could be a cow, a house plant,a mushroom or even a humble small bacterium in the next life as the carbon in you goes to them and so on. So basically we were all dinosaurs and mammoths in our past lives. Another theory that i have thought of is that you live on through as a "imprint" on the universal timeline. This may explain ghosts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krim13 View Post
    I have researched OBE's and Near Death Experiences as well... such things are dismissed without being looked into deeply enough.

    To happen after brain activity has stopped is clearly strange.

    Can't say either way. I would sooner think we just become a ghost stuck on earth forever, than go to another realm entirely with many others chilling there. Which would also suggest a god, and bring up more questions.

    Is everyone just losing their mind? That suggests a lot.

    The answer comes down to straight Yes or No.

    But you know. Maybe it's a bit more complicated than that
    My grandmother was in a severe car accident when she was about 60. Her husband had died 20 years earlier (his own deceased father appeared to him in a dream, telling him he would within a year and to get his affairs in order).

    She later said that her husband appeared to her and she saw the typical lights of NDE. He told her it was time to let go.

    My ISTJ grandmother said she told him, "I am not leaving yet! I am not going to die now!" She woke up from her coma and lived another 20 years.

    She definitely was a very down to earth grounded person, not given to flights of fancy. I have zero reason to doubt her experience.

    One thing I read said that when the early scientific studies were conducted, it was actually religious leaders who objected to their validity, besides atheists. They didn't like the "everyone gets a nice experience" thing. It seemed to them spiritual without religion.

    Anyway, no matter what it is, once someone accepts there is any existence after death, then it puts life here on earth in a whole new perspective.......
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    Yes I believe in life after death however I have a neutral stance on God, neither believing fully or disbelieving fully
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    i believe in life after death, but not that it is immediate... i think we have a bit of a wait for it... i do believe in God...
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    ....in a fashion.

    I don't believe in reincarnation per-se but we do know that energy cannot be created or destroyed. So when we die whatever energy has gone into creating/maintaing " us" will disperse and move to create something else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yuu
    So when we die whatever energy has gone into creating/maintaing " us" will disperse and move to create something else.
    Which isn't close to being a form of life after death, because we aren't the energy that animates us. If we were, then we would not be the same person we were a decade ago when we had a completely different supply of energy. There's a continuity that is sustained by something else or by nothing.

    To the topic, I believe that there might be a God (in spite of God being impossible), and that if there is, he's probably me. But that, meaning belief in God, has about as much to do with life after death as belief in advanced aliens, which could equally well bring someone back to life.

    My view on life after death is that we can't meaningfully talk about it, because genuine death is not something that we can conceive of. When we talk about death, we mean blackness, a void, numbness, quiescence, etc. but all of those are things. Death is supposed to be absolute nothing without existence as a context. No one can experience that except in an incomplete form.

    What do I think happens to someone who goes to the grave? I don't know, because it has never happened to me (as far as I know) and there isn't any convincing testimony about what it's like. I do think that consciousness will persist after "death," simply because personal death is, as I said, a meaningless term--we can't think about it, talk about it, or really mean it. Beyond that, I can only engage in wild speculation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Polaris View Post
    Which isn't close to being a form of life after death, because we aren't the energy that animates us. If we were, then we would not be the same person we were a decade ago when we had a completely different supply of energy. There's a continuity that is sustained by something else or by nothing.

    To the topic, I believe that there might be a God (in spite of God being impossible), and that if there is, he's probably me. But that, meaning belief in God, has about as much to do with life after death as belief in advanced aliens, which could equally well bring someone back to life.

    My view on life after death is that we can't meaningfully talk about it, because genuine death is not something that we can conceive of. When we talk about death, we mean blackness, a void, numbness, quiescence, etc. but all of those are things. Death is supposed to be absolute nothing without existence as a context. No one can experience that except in an incomplete form.

    What do I think happens to someone who goes to the grave? I don't know, because it has never happened to me (as far as I know) and there isn't any convincing testimony about what it's like. I do think that consciousness will persist after "death," simply because personal death is, as I said, a meaningless term--we can't think about it, talk about it, or really mean it. Beyond that, I can only engage in wild speculation.
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