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    Quote Originally Posted by jixmixfix View Post
    Idealists are useless though, in what ways does it benifit to be an idealist if you are going to sit back and do nothing about it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GIjade View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by jixmixfix View Post
    Idealists are useless though, in what ways does it benifit to be an idealist if you are going to sit back and do nothing about it?
    We form high principles and visions , we pursue them, people believe in us, the society changes
    That is very useless alright!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by geedoenfj View Post
    We form high principles and visions , we pursue them, people believe in us, the society changes
    That is very useless alright!!
    facts and logic so much more iseful than imagination.

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    close but no cigar.

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    but there are about a zillion different brands of idealism out there... which particular type are we speaking about here?

    without having a better vision of the future to work towards and happier expectations for it why should we even bother with this whole living thing anyway? to enjoy the post-apocalyptic wastelands or the joy of dying from radiation poisoning that the less idealistic movies and tv shows portray the future as?
    “The phrase 'Someone ought to do something' was not, by itself, a helpful one. People who used it never added the rider 'and that someone is me'.” - Terry Pratchett
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    Quote Originally Posted by EliaBlack View Post
    To some extent, especially when idealists' deepest values are the exact opposite of those of other idealists. Take the issue of abortion for example. A pro-life idealist claims that they can't possibly claim why anyone would ever want to take the life of an innocent, helpless baby, and that anyone who disagrees or doesn't care must be heartless and evil. A pro-choice idealist claims that they can't understand why anyone would ever want to put an underage girl, rape victim, or any woman at all through the extreme discomfort of pregnancy and childbirth, as well as the lifelong responsibility of caring for an unplanned child, and that anyone who disagrees or doesn't care must be heartless and evil. The two idealists argue forever, each of them seeing the other as a cold-hearted monster when, in reality, they both believe that they are doing the right thing.
    However, if we didn't have idealists, life would kinda suck. Realists tend to accept things the way they are, so a world full of realists is a world without change. Then again, I'm extremely biased and I would love for all the idealists I don't agree with to be silenced. At least I can admit it.

    Alternative answer: We get it; you don't like NFs.
    NFs are OK that's not really what I meant anyway. More along the lines of noticing the amount of people who are very ideologically driven instead of viewing reality for what it is.

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    Their ideas (and ideals) can at least influence others, who could take them and run with them.

    That's not the end-all, be-all, but that's their potential impact.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kheledon View Post
    Evidently, human biology says yes. I read somewhere that (among Americans, at least) the percentage of extraverts vs. introverts is something like 48% to 52%. The percentages are roughly equal on the F/T axis and the J/P axis as well. The N/S axis is quite different. Only about 26% of us are Ns. The other 74% are Ss. Something in our genetic makeup says we need more Ss than Ns, and the Ns tend to be head-in-the-clouds idealists, whereas Ss tend to be practical, down-to-earth, and much more concerned with making the world we have work (as opposed to dreaming of a better world). So, I'd say yes. Too many idealists would probably prove toxic to our society if not also to the human race as a whole. Somebody needs to do the world's work. Ns (for the most part) find that work mundane and a waste of our mental energy, but it still needs to be done. We'd all starve to death if the world were full of Ns.
    making the world we have work is a better world. If you look at all the damage idealism has done in this world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jixmixfix View Post
    NFs are OK that's not really what I meant anyway. More along the lines of noticing the amount of people who are very ideologically driven instead of viewing reality for what it is.
    1) If you view it as is and decide not to change it, you are flirting with nihilism.

    2) If you view the world as is and think it can be improved upon in small measures, you are flirting with idealism. One may not need to change the entire world to be an idealist but just unsatisfied with the status quo.
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