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    Quote Originally Posted by Brain in a Jar View Post
    This thread seemed interesting to reopen as philosophy is fun . I wonder if there is such a thing as net pain/pleasure. Like say you prick yourself with a pin for a candy would that be worth it?.
    There was a discussion going on about philosophy of science, but I'm too late. Such a pity. I had some bullets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Masokissed View Post
    Why do we worry about the shit that occupies our time?
    Are you asking 'Why do we do the things we do'? If so I too ask myself this, every day actually and spend a lot of resources on trying to understand. Too many I suspect.

    In poetic form:

    We multiply diseases for delight,
    invent a shameful want, a horrid doubt,
    luxuriate in license, feed on night,
    make inward bedlam — and will not come out

    Why should we? Stripped of subtle complication,
    who could regard the sun except with fear?
    This is our shelter against contemplation,
    our only refuge from the plain and clear.

    Who would crawl out from under the obscure
    to stand defenseless in the sunny air?
    No terror of obliquity so sure
    as the most shining terror of despair
    to know how simple is our deepest need,
    how sharp, and how impossible to feed.

    ~ Marcia Lee Anderson


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    There are a few theories on human motivation. Maslow's is quite useful because it partially explains the ever shifting nature of our focus (stream of consciousness as William James would say) and attempted to address the observations he made. This was the driver behind his inquiries. He saw this as the fear of standing alone.

    Who would crawl out from under the obscure
    to stand defenseless in the sunny air?


    He used a broad humanistic perspective and existential language with terms like self actualizing ones potential and ones full humanness and saw these as natural developmental urges and wanted to know what blocks them, what holds them up.

    “We fear our highest possibilities…We are generally afraid to become that which we glimpse in our most perfect moments, under the most perfect conditions, under the conditions of greatest courage. We enjoy and even thrill to godlike possibilities we see in ourselves in such peak moments. And yet we simultaneously shiver with weakness, awe, and fear before these very same possibilities.” ~ The Farther Reaches of Human Nature ~ Abraham Maslow.


    Be careful, such lines of inquiry often lead to the abyss. You know you are approaching the precipice when you come to "the worm at the core" as William James would say.
    "The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents... Some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality, and of our frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the light into the peace and safety of a new Dark Age. " - H.P. Lovecraft
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brain in a Jar View Post
    This thread seemed interesting to reopen as philosophy is fun . I wonder if there is such a thing as net pain/pleasure. Like say you prick yourself with a pin for a candy would that be worth it?.
    No, because even though while candy tastes sweet, the cost of it just being bad for your health adds up making it a net pain greater than its net pleasure.

    But there are some (especially those with thick skin) who will do it, than me as someone who has thin skin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brain in a Jar View Post
    This thread seemed interesting to reopen as philosophy is fun . I wonder if there is such a thing as net pain/pleasure. Like say you prick yourself with a pin for a candy would that be worth it?.
    Interesting. What if we widen the scope to include life and interpersonal relationships in general? Is there a net gain/loss of pain in human interactions? Seeming as our world has not spiralled into a hell on earth nor a garden of Eden, it may be that pain and pleasure is for the most part, a zero sum game; There is a law of conservation of pain/pleasure.

    Alternatively, maybe pain and pleasure serve merely as a push and pull mechanism programmed into the human mind, with the sole purpose of compelling it to always seek a betterment in its state. And so, the mind instinctively seeks a certain equilibrium of pain and pleasure, regardless of external circumstances.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abendrot View Post
    Interesting. What if we widen the scope to include life and interpersonal relationships in general? Is there a net gain/loss of pain in human interactions? Seeming as our world has not spiralled into a hell on earth nor a garden of Eden, it may be that pain and pleasure is for the most part, a zero sum game; There is a law of conservation of pain/pleasure.

    Alternatively, maybe pain and pleasure serve merely as a push and pull mechanism programmed into the human mind, with the sole purpose of compelling it to always seek a betterment in its state. And so, the mind instinctively seeks a certain equilibrium of pain and pleasure, regardless of external circumstances.
    It seems we have a set point of happiness around which we oscillate. And our oscillation is a stable, negative, feedback loop.

    Interestingly we can increase our set point of happiness by being kind to others, however to keep this increase we need to keep on being kind.

    This is plainly too much to ask so we can only conclude that we can't do much about our level of happiness: some of us have a higher level of happiness, and some of us have a lower level of happiness, a lot of it depends on the luck of our child rearing. This has already happened and so we can't do anything about it.

    However although we are not happiness creating animals, we are meaning creating animals, so we can create a meaning to suit and even explain our given level of happiness.

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    The two most extreme emotions in the world are love and hate, or fear if you want, and are then the cornerstones of our psychological, religious, and emotional societies in which we built upon that trudged us forward with everything that human beings have since created and will create in this world. But I wonder if these two emotions are truly the end points of our human experience, and if there are other explanations for why we wage wars and create chaos and calamity, and why we create anything from the greatest sonnets to technological advances to save us (or extend) from inevitable destruction. I often wonder if love truly is the answer to all the tragedies we are facing right now, or if this is just child's talk.

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    Griffins and dragons are related. Griffins are the ancestors of dragons mythologically speaking, I had never realized this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by theforsaken View Post
    The two most extreme emotions in the world are love and hate, or fear if you want, and are then the cornerstones of our psychological, religious, and emotional societies in which we built upon that trudged us forward with everything that human beings have since created and will create in this world. But I wonder if these two emotions are truly the end points of our human experience, and if there are other explanations for why we wage wars and create chaos and calamity, and why we create anything from the greatest sonnets to technological advances to save us (or extend) from inevitable destruction. I often wonder if love truly is the answer to all the tragedies we are facing right now, or if this is just child's talk.

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    Yeah, it's child's talk. We have discovered the banality of evil, which is quite beyond love and hate, which are merely two sides of the same coin.

    We used to ask, what rough beast slouches towards Bethlehem to be born, but we were naive, as Eichmann stole a march into banality and committed the crimes of a century. Click on Adolf Eichmann - Wikipedia

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    Why am I me and not someone else? Why do I exist as me and not as the next person? There must be a reason...

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    What would the pure form of mint be when the mere shade or shadow we have of it is so damn perfect as it is?

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