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    Otto Lilienthal's final words (translated) were "Sacrifices must be made!" after crashing his glider headfirst into the ground, 1896.

    What a guy
    tiny purple fishes run laughing through your fingers
    and you want to take her with you, to the hard land of the winter
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThaumaturgicTheorist View Post
    From doing anything?
    OK, but I guess that answer is still confusing to me with regard to what you wrote here:
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    Why do I give a crap what the unthinking universe thinks? I do however care what other thinking humans think, so I guess that's what holds me back. That and knowing that no amount of intellectual knowledge of meaninglessness is going to make the feelings go away, so might as well reconcile them.
    “Oh, what a tangled web we weave...when first we practice to deceive.”
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    Even though I consider myself agnostic, and like to believe there is so spiritual or omni-potent being behind the universe, I cannot think that it makes the most sense that there could not be, if one were to consider how ruthless, terrible and cruel life can be.

    It's easy to believe a little in a higher power when you live in a 1st world country, and yet when you look at the world it seems to be the opposite. Yet, I cannot refute there seems to be a some kind of a supernatural and un-definable presence or force in the world.

    It makes one conclude that, I don't know. Maybe death is not all that bad, but then why is pain? I like to think that maybe it is a test, but...I cannot think that it's a little elaborate and pointless. We are star dust in an infinite sea of space matter and rock. What we see and look out towards is what we ourselves are. But yet we continue this charade.

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    But I think this is sort of what is the problem with the world, is that generally, it's almost too frightening and painful to really face your own mortality and fragility.

    We are simply not made to last forever, and I think if anything religion should serve to make us more comfortable with this fact.

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    Philosophy often feels pointless to discuss considering nothing can really be proven nor disproven. They can be reasoned through logic. But even so, we can't really prove or disprove a certainty of such a being existing or not.

    Which is why I end up just Agnostic because I'm aware of how little we know. I cannot possibly be 'Atheist' with any true confidence. But at the same time, whatever our purpose, whether driven by some essence or simply our own. We must make something out of it, for focusing on the fear and insignificance we perceive won't help anything. I have always felt there was something more, but even so that in itself cannot be proven trustworthy nor would I know if any such "Force" would be intellectual or just energy, the Universe itself. Or both. Somehow. It always fascinates me to speak of it, and humans become obsessed with and grab onto it, trying to identify this "essence" into a human like form. A human like understanding. Through all these gods shaped liked humans and undergoing human temptations and pains. Mythology.

    I generally end up considering there being an energy within everything like "the force" in star wars. Also within us all, that holds everything together. Doesn't mean it's particularly intelligent nor do I truly consider it a God. But in the end, no matter what we discover we all stick to our own understandings and interpretations of everything. When people cling to their religion and think they're right, it continues to astound me with their certainty. They all create this reality that exist within their minds, and they become identified with it. There religion takes over their life, an institution built to control the masses. My own family is religious, and my own Father is completely dependent in it. He grows passionate, quotes it, judges in accordance to it without question. Believes he hears God through prayer. Though I never did back in the day when I gave it a chance. Even if I did I'd still question it. It frustrates me in truth. Why do they hold to such solidity when I continue to question everything to the point of perceived insanity? Why do they think they know what cannot be known? Self Deception?

    But yes. Humanity fears death. So scientists scramble to create ways to survive past death. To thrive, and never die. To never leave this world, clinging fiercely to their sense of identities. But as I've seen my own grandmother on her death bed fade away... It reminded me how strange death can seem. One minute they're an identity, the next reveals nothing but a shell. One day it all slips away.

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    Life hosts a manifold of platitudes and it is very difficult for me to ascertain "the truth" because *gasp* I am a being of will also!

    Is one ever healthy to separate themselves from their will? I don't think enough challenge their conditioned self, while others find too much at fault with their proclivities. The latter saddens me worst - it is never the vile nature I see rejected in man, it is always an unrequited compassion.
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    CHOOSE THE PATH THEY'LL NEVER TAKE

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    Someday, we need someone to lay out what the "harsh truths" of life are. And something that isn't ridiculously subjective, blatantly obvious, so emotionally invalidating it's a better reason for suicide than perseverance, or a mindless platitude.

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    I see intersectionality, feminism, PC-stuff, "liberal" rhetoric...

    I just think:

    People are forgetting how to understand, just like how Adam Smith said they would.

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    Its easy to brand things, "good" and "the enemy", and to trump up issues into a oversimplified polarity: there are no quick fixes, because nothing has just one face, and nothing is just one thing.

    Stop thinking black and white, or the next time around, the quick fix gets more starkly simple and blunt until it becomes savage, when the people decide to start using blatant atrocity to fix the instability they've backed themselves into, cause of all the running away from the guile of "the enemy".
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    Its not fun watching fascism grow in my country, and all the cool uni kids don't care cause black-nationalism can't be "fascist" in their world view.

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    relative privilege must always exist unless we find a way to vaccinate against all forms of liberty: if you want to change something, it requires involvement on the ground. Complaints are not involvement. Demands are not involvement.

    Be the change, don't beg for privileges by advocating self-harm to the "established".

    Destabilizing a structure doesn't promise to reveal a pot of gold under the rubble, wake up.

    Non-policy based revolution is reactionary, non-policy based revolution is fascism. A real revolution is not the promise of an alternative*, it is the alternative, if you can't describe how your alternative will work, your a reactionary fascist-shill.

    *like, what does that even mean— when people have this vague idea, that 'somehow' promises, to be 'totally different!'. If that were even true, you could of had those polcies published on the net, and eventually win an election somewhere, but this hasn't happened: because these sorts of people don't really care, they are power-sycophants, and wannabe tyrants, the basic fall-back tendencies of all of the proto-fascist "liberals" that can't pick up the historical accounts of Nazi rhetoric that their ideologically replicating in with their identical strategies.
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    Demands that are made on reality, contain further demands for the consequences thereof. Because, (like Jung said,) what you resist, persists. The question is more like: How can I/You do it differently, don't rely on the debtor's plea of relinquishing responsibility and integrity.

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    this has been my Public Service announcement for the politically misguided peoples that require spiritual edification so as to help avert the great looming crises.

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    In the era of nomadic seekers, from intellectual, spiritual and cultural destitution:

    Look into these treasures that I bring to you—

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=MqJXQPnzEsw

    https://www.researchgate.net/publica...utz_GmbH_71-83

    http://elgin.harvard.edu/undg/virtue.pdf
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