The soul

[jixmixfix]

If there is no such existence as a soul or a spirit then why can't dead people be brought back to life? similar to how a machine gets brought back to life when changing a broken part or material? thoughts?

 

[indra]

Dead people are brought back to life who would have otherwise perished indefinitely, presuming the form of the mind is still in a condition for this set of actions to occur.

The soul is a delusion of essentialism - that there is a "self" before existence the way there is a "rabbit" before evolution; We merely have a classification of form that entails small mammalian long-eared nose-wrinkling organisms. Each and every 'rabbit' is in constant flux of each other individual, there is no true rabbit.

Natural selection is the origami of nature, the self is a product of nature's origami.

 

[jixmixfix]

Dead people are brought back to life who would have otherwise perished indefinitely, presuming the form of the mind is still in a condition for this set of actions to occur.

The soul is a delusion of essentialism - that there is a "self" before existence the way there is a "rabbit" before evolution; We merely have a classification of form that entails small mammalian long-eared nose-wrinkling organisms. Each and every 'rabbit' is in constant flux of each other individual, there is no true rabbit.

Natural selection is the origami of nature, the self is a product of nature's origami.

What does that have to do with death though? once the body dies it dies forever there is no coming back if the body was merely a function similar to how a machine would function then it could be brought back to life similar to how a machine is brought back to life. My question is what is it within the body that dies when it dies?

 

[indra]

What does that have to do with death though? once the body dies it dies forever there is no coming back if the body was merely a function similar to how a machine would function then it could be brought back to life similar to how a machine is brought back to life. My question is what is it within the body that dies when it dies?

That's like asking where a wrinkle goes when you iron it out.

Also, you're giving technology wayyyyy too much credit.

 

[jixmixfix]

That's like asking where a wrinkle goes when you iron it out.

Also, you're giving technology wayyyyy too much credit.

Not really I'm just comparing the animal function similar to machine function. If we were to create a machine that was as sophisticated as a human what makes that machine different than a human being what separates us other than function?

 

[Chthonic]

If we were to create a machine that was as sophisticated as a human what makes that machine different than a human being what separates us other than function?

When we finally create a machine as sophisiticated as the human body then it will answer itself. For its possible that the interrelationship between billions of living cells creates a symbiosis where each cells communication with the other creates a sentience that wouldn't otherwise we there. And perhaps it's the loss of that collective consciousness (the ability of the cells to communicate with each other) that causes the animation to disappear and ultimately for the cells themselves to individually die. In much the same way a fungus body is actually a colony of millions of micelia rather than a single organism.

 

[gromit]

If there is no such existence as a soul or a spirit then why can't dead people be brought back to life? similar to how a machine gets brought back to life when changing a broken part or material? thoughts?

How would you propose bringing a dead person back to life?

 

[jixmixfix]

How would you propose bringing a dead person back to life?

I wouldn't that's my point.

 

[jixmixfix]

When we finally create a machine as sophisiticated as the human body then it will answer itself. For its possible that the interrelationship between billions of living cells creates a symbiosis where each cells communication with the other creates a sentience that wouldn't otherwise we there. And perhaps it's the loss of that collective consciousness (the ability of the cells to communicate with each other) that causes the animation to disappear and ultimately for the cells themselves to individually die. In much the same way a fungus body is actually a colony of millions of micelia rather than a single organism.

There is a force behind our body though that is there healing our wounds and pushing our body forward. Once those connections are gone so it that force it is so longer alive it vanishes somewhere.

 

[Hive]

To even begin answering your question, you first have to prove that we do in fact have a soul.

 

[Daenera]

If there is no such existence as a soul or a spirit then why can't dead people be brought back to life? similar to how a machine gets brought back to life when changing a broken part or material? thoughts?

If there is no such existence as a soul or a spirit then why can't dead people be brought back to life? similar to how a machine gets brought back to life when changing a broken part or material? thoughts?

But we can! Apparently all you need is:some knowledge of medicine, 7 dead people (this might require a trip to the graveyard) and some electricity to succeed:

Ok,now seriosly:
Going by your analogy(and accepting the body/soul division):machines need energy in order to work, simple assembly of parts, or fixing a broken part won't make them work,so we can assemble all the body parts, fix what is broken, but the problem is not being able to create the energy to maintain it. Theoretically if we find a way to create (recreate might be a better term) that energy the same way we do with machines we'll be able to bring them back to life.
Yeah I took this in the wrong direction haha.You were asking if not being able to bring back the dead implies we have a soul, I'm answering if can actually do it and even drawing a somewhat positive conclusion:

NAILED IT!

 

[EffEmDoubleyou]

As soon as a person dies, the body begins breaking down. A broken down car can have a part replaced because that part is going to remain essentially the same. But organs decay and decompose, starting almost immediately. Even if there is no soul, you can't bring a dead person back for the same reason you can't fix a rotten peach.

 

[jixmixfix]

As soon as a person dies, the body begins breaking down. A broken down car can have a part replaced because that part is going to remain essentially the same. But organs decay and decompose, starting almost immediately. Even if there is no soul, you can't bring a dead person back for the same reason you can't fix a rotten peach.

When someone dies something in that person has left the body whether it indeed a soul or not because like you said the body begins to decompose immediately. What if those parts that began decaying have some way of being preserved could we still have the ability to bring someone back to life?

 

[Qlip]

Break an egg, leave it out for a day and try to get it back together again. If you can't, it doesn't mean that it has a soul. We're very complicated eggs.

 

[Magic Poriferan]

First of all, the cause of death itself would have to be addressed. If we could always do that, the more likely result is that no one would die in the first place.

Secondly, after the direct cause of death, the human body breaks down fairly rapidly after it's self maintaining systems are shut off. It's too vast, too complex, too subtle, to be in our technology to address.

It's really kind of an entropy problem. Try putting an egg back together after you break it, or some aerosol spray back into the can.

Break an egg, leave it out for a day and try to get it back together again. If you can't, it doesn't mean that it has a soul. We're very complicated eggs.

Wow. Both of us with the eggs.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

What is a soul made out of? Would it be possible for us to detect souls?

 

[Qlip]

Wow. Both of us with the eggs.

Yeah... actually the egg is sometimes used to symbolize the soul.

 

[Stanton Moore]

Dead people are brought back to life who would have otherwise perished indefinitely, presuming the form of the mind is still in a condition for this set of actions to occur.

The soul is a delusion of essentialism - that there is a "self" before existence the way there is a "rabbit" before evolution; We merely have a classification of form that entails small mammalian long-eared nose-wrinkling organisms. Each and every 'rabbit' is in constant flux of each other individual, there is no true rabbit.

Natural selection is the origami of nature, the self is a product of nature's origami.

brilliant.

 

[Magic Poriferan]

Yeah... actually the egg is sometimes used to symbolize the soul.

Then Robert De Niro bites into the egg.

 

[xisnotx]

your spirit is your breath. to "aspirate". to "aspire". spirit. same sort of thing.

it's the one definition of spirit that could take on consensus.

if we can't define spirit, there isn't any use talking about it.

i like the definition of spirit being the "act of living". to breathe. to aspire.

but souls are different you see? humans have a spirit, but humans are souls.

without the definitions, conclusions can't be had easily..