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When will modern Western morality end?

danseen

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lol whatever bruh

You're talking about people's personal moralities because you haven't experienced things like immutable, universal morality. Guessing that's because you're in you're early 20s. #adhomftw

eh? I believe what I wish. who are you to say otherwise?
 

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Perhaps you believe in cultural relativism - the belief that all cultures are equally good.

Yet we see people doing their damdest to escape tribal cultures, dictatorships, totalitarian cultures, religious cultures and chaotic States, and fleeing to liberal democracies, multi-cultural States, with regulated and competitive capitalism, who subscribe to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

And? Humans are self-interested.
 

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And? Humans are self-interested.

This is true. And since 1776 we have known that self interest leads to public prosperity under regulated and competitive capitalism.

You will find it explained and set out in The Wealth of Nations published in 1776 by the Scot, Adam Smith.
 

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eh? I believe what I wish. who are you to say otherwise?

Why not believe what is reasonably true?

If you believe what you wish, it is called wish fulfillment.

And wish fulfillment has only the most tenuous connection with reality.
 
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It won't end as you say. It may be substituted, but not because it's proven wrong. It will be complemented with other ideals, such as in the east, where other well established virtues come in to bring balance to the frequently misinterpreted ideals of the west. Balance will be achieved.
 

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Why not believe what is reasonably true?

If you believe what you wish, it is called wish fulfillment.

And wish fulfillment has only the most tenuous connection with reality.

Reality is subjective.
 

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Quale and Fact

Reality is subjective.

The subjective are quale.

And reality is fact.

We perceive by making distinctions. And the more distinctions, the more we see.

So the distinction quale/fact gives us a handle on reality and the subjective.
 

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Ok, so sensual perception is not subjective. Do you have evidence of this?
 

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Quale and Qualia

Ok, so sensual perception is not subjective. Do you have evidence of this?

Actually, a quale is an immediate sensual perception and is subjective.

The plural of quale is qualia and is commonly used in philosophy to denote immediate sensual perceptions. And qualia are subjective.
 

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Actually, a quale is an immediate sensual perception and is subjective.

The plural of quale is qualia and is commonly used in philosophy to denote immediate sensual perceptions. And qualia are subjective.

er.. OK. Well senses are subjective.
 
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