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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    Ti reets especially.
    Ah, the eloquent elucidation of a man of high culture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by msg_v2 View Post
    Yes... I actually can see how literature, especially stuff that's more character-focused and less plot-focused, would help with empathy/social skills. To some extent, I've benefited from it. Film could potentially do the same thing, or TV. I think the important thing is that these are all narrative.

    I'm not convinced that visual arts or classical music (seeing as how it is either without words or in a language most peole don't understand) would help. Certainly, it is capable of stirring things emotionally. But what could it possibly teach you about interacting with someone else? How does a Hudson River School painting (look it up), for instance, teach someone social skills or empathy?
    Do you think the point of High Culture is to inspire empathy and social skills?
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    If high lit is exemplified by most of the stuff I had to read in school, I'll gladly forego the empathy boost. I like Jane Austen, some Shakespeare, the Bronte sisters, Joseph Conrad, and Mark Twain, but a lot of those other books would make me want to stick my head in an oven. I swear they make people read that stuff so they will hate reading and avoid it for the rest of their lives.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    No.

    Your argument was just dumb.
    Yours is dumber.
    The gloves are off...
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    What you on about?





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    Quote Originally Posted by Pseudo View Post
    Ah, the eloquent elucidation of a man of high culture.
    "Do not give what is holy to dogs, nor cast your pearls before swine"
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    Quote Originally Posted by msg_v2 View Post
    Yours is dumber.
    Wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    Do you think the point of High Culture is to inspire empathy and social skills?
    For much of history, it seems to exist to give rich people something to do. Which is fine, I suppose. That doesn't make it "bad".... the sciences were much the same. But let's acknowledge this, if we are talking about empathy and social skills.

    A lot of classical music was commissioned for European nobility.
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    Quote Originally Posted by msg_v2 View Post
    For much of history, it seems to exist to give rich people something to do. Which is fine, I suppose. That doesn't make it "bad".... the sciences were much the same. But let's acknowledge this, if we are talking about empathy and social skills.
    So the renaissance happened just to give the wealthy something to do?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    So the renaissance happened just to give the wealthy something to do?
    Not sure about this, but the connection to wealth is certainly there. I'm not convinced that it made the European nobility more egalitarian or anything, which seems to be implied by "empathy".
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    Quote Originally Posted by msg_v2 View Post
    Not sure about this, but the connection to wealth is certainly there.
    No ones arguing that, but in your estimation what is the purpose of high culture?
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