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    Shakespeare wrote for the masses. That is all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cafe View Post
    I don't know. I'm not terribly educated. I have a two year degree in general studies from a rural community college. So basically, all high culture means to me is that it's old. But surely not everything that is old is high culture? So that is why I asked. I looked and couldn't find anything specific.
    I think what he means is that he considers anything that's a fad (i.e. Harry Potter, Pokemon, etc.) to be "popular culture," whereas a Broadway show or a Jane Austen novel would be considered "high culture." I think the intention is to distinguish intelligent materials (i.e. books, plays, art, performances, publications, thoughts) from unintelligent but entertaining materials - but of course, it's a rather subjective definition. I'm sure there are some shows on Broadway that have less to contribute to humanity than a series of novels like Harry Potter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Honor View Post
    I think what he means is that he considers anything that's a fad (i.e. Harry Potter, Pokemon, etc.) to be "popular culture," whereas a Broadway show or a Jane Austen novel would be considered "high culture." I think the intention is to distinguish intelligent materials (i.e. books, plays, art, performances, publications, thoughts) from unintelligent but entertaining materials - but of course, it's a rather subjective definition. I'm sure there are some shows on Broadway that have less to contribute to humanity than a series of novels like Harry Potter.
    Broadway shows are not usually considered high culture.

    Seeing Oedipus Rex, or Shakespeare, or The Ring Cycle, is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 21% View Post
    If they identify more with Beyonce's music rather than Mozart's, is it fair to judge them?




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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    Broadway shows are not usually considered high culture.

    Seeing Oedipus Rex, or Shakespeare, or The Ring Cycle, is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    If people buy better wine then traditional, smaller, historical winemakers earn more money and can keep their business going, which benefits the whole rural area (ftr I'm Italian so in the US it might be different). Plus, better wine is often just much better for your health (no sulfites etc.).
    Yes, but idea was that buying these wines somehow makes someone a letter person.

    I'm arguing that while appreciating complexity may make you appriciate complexity which could leading to other values , like being aware of the importance of local farms or the effects on the body of certain products, it is possible to have this positive qualities with out liking fine wines.

    Sure somebody who like beyonce may not understand music like a beyonce conesuier, @Zarathustra, but I don't think that mean they are in empathetic or neccesarrily lacking other skills. This is why I said high culture is used to degrade people. At least her, in opposition to poster point, appreciation for high culture seems to be making some people here see other individuals as inferior just because they enjoy pop culture. I think there are very good, empathetic intelligent people who aren't, weren't in contact with high culture. And some very cruel people can be associated with high culture (Nero).

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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    If people buy better wine then traditional, smaller, historical winemakers earn more money and can keep their business going, which benefits the whole rural area (ftr I'm Italian so in the US it might be different). Plus, better wine is often just much better for your health (no sulfites etc.).
    Yes, but idea was that buying these wines somehow makes someone a letter person.

    I'm arguing that while appreciating complexity may make you appriciate complexity which could leading to other values , like being aware of the importance of local farms or the effects on the body of certain products, it is possible to have this positive qualities with out liking fine wines.

    Sure somebody who like beyonce may not understand music like a beyonce conesuier, @Zarathustra, but I don't think that mean they are in empathetic or neccesarrily lacking other skills. This is why I said high culture is used to degrade people. At least her, in opposition to poster point, appreciation for high culture seems to be making some people here see other individuals as inferior just because they enjoy pop culture. I think there are very good, empathetic intelligent people who aren't, weren't in contact with high culture. And some very cruel people can be associated with high culture (Nero).

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    Um, Nazis had appreciation for high culture. Did that give them empathy?

    Godwin, I know, but it seemed unavoidable.

    Alex in A Clockwork Orange is a good riff on this bit of fallacious thinking.
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    Per usual, @Pseudo, you seem unable to engage with what I'm actually saying, preferring instead to argue with some phantom person of your own creation who has absolutely no connection to what I am saying.
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    High culture borrows from low culture and vice versa. And with time there's less and less of a difference between the two.

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