Is God Evil? Can we overthrow him?

[RaptorWizard]

Gaze upon how evil God's creation is. One day, we will overthrow God and destroy his creation to reforge it anew into a utopian paradise of a humanitarian design!

 

[Infinite Bubble]

Is this a serious question? Anyway: we don't get to decide whether God is good or evil, and I think that a God that can be categorised as either, isn't a God at all. We could not overthrow him; he could delete us or the entire universe in an instance if he so wished. And how would we destroy his creation when everything, down to the atoms of our very bodies, were created by God (allegedly). "Humanitarian design" is still God's design.

Disclaimer: this post doesn't coincide with my own personal beliefs (atheist).

 

[En Gallop]

I don't agree with any of the options because I don't agree that Good and Evil actually exist.

Also, which God are we discussing?

 

[Tyrinth]

God is dead. He has been replaced.

 

[Beorn]

"And he said, "Go out and stand on the mount before the LORD." And behold, the LORD passed by, and a great and strong wind tore the mountains and broke in pieces the rocks before the LORD, but the LORD was not in the wind. And after the wind an earthquake, but the LORD was not in the earthquake. And after the earthquake a fire, but the LORD was not in the fire. And after the fire the sound of a low whisper."

How can you hope to overthrow one such as this?

 

[Nicodemus]

How can you hope to overthrow one such as this?

 

[Beorn]

If that's the route you're going to take one would think book burnings would be more efficient.

 

[RaptorWizard]

I don't agree with any of the options because I don't agree that Good and Evil actually exist.

Also, which God are we discussing?

I'm not treating this discussion that seriously, so the definitions are loose and open to your own personal interpretation. Good and evil is indeed very subjective, but just think about it this way: does God love you? If yes, then he is "good". If no, then he is "evil". Also, by God I mean the mind that created and controls this universe, kind of like what [MENTION=17266]Infinite Bubble[/MENTION] described. I honestly have no freaking clue how to visualize God, but I believe him to be some kind willpower force. His greatest sin of all was, as [MENTION=15886]jontherobot[/MENTION] said somewhere else, was creating the universe, because look at all of the bad junk in our world. This God is the spawn of evil! It is only logical then that he must be replaced, and to do so, we need to hack his creation, kind of like how a computer virus can destroy a computer (we are the viruses).

If it is not true it is very well invented.

 

[Society]

you really are going through the exact same questions i did at your age.. exact same ones.

 

[Society]

i dedicate this to you RW:

 

[EffEmDoubleyou]

Silly mortal. You can't overthrow God. Your only option is for us to collectively ignore him and make him irrelevant.

http://www.typologycentral.com/foru...9434&page=33&p=1776920&viewfull=1#post1776920

 

[Infinite Bubble]

does God love you? If yes, then he is "good". If no, then he is "evil".

What if God neither loves nor hates? I think he should be in a state of neutrality. And what if God loves all the criminals too - who is to decide that they shouldn't be loved also; us, lowly humans?

I honestly have no freaking clue how to visualize God, but I believe him to be some kind willpower force.

There are a couple of ways I visualize his existence: As the universe itself, as in a pantheistic view. Another is an "ethereal" (hate using that word) substance that underlies all of existence, that is neither a form of life nor an inanimate object; something above either that is beyond our comprehension.

His greatest sin of all was, as [MENTION=15886]jontherobot[/MENTION] said somewhere else, was creating the universe, because look at all of the bad junk in our world.

With no bad there is no good.

I don't agree that Good and Evil actually exist.

Morality exists conceptually, but it is very subjective; a Human survival trait. But you're correct, objectively speaking there is no good or evil. Only in our minds.

 

[Nicodemus]

If that's the route you're going to take one would think book burnings would be more efficient.

Yes, but it arouses all the wrong associations. Instead of cleansing, I choose cleaning.

 

[En Gallop]

Morality exists conceptually, but it is very subjective; a Human survival trait. But you're correct, objectively speaking there is no good or evil. Only in our minds.

Personally, I find the whole idea of morality - in the sense of "This is TRULY Right, or TRULY Wrong" - to be totally unfathomable. I just don't understand why most people can't SEE that.

Morality is basically a list of behaviours a certain society/group has found agreeable/disagreeable over time. Nothing more. If more people would understand that, and not stick to the other interpretation, we might actually be able to make ethics make sense.

 

[En Gallop]

I'm not treating this discussion that seriously, so the definitions are loose and open to your own personal interpretation. Good and evil is indeed very subjective, but just think about it this way: does God love you? If yes, then he is "good". If no, then he is "evil". Also, by God I mean the mind that created and controls this universe, kind of like what [MENTION=17266]Infinite Bubble[/MENTION] described. I honestly have no freaking clue how to visualize God, but I believe him to be some kind willpower force. His greatest sin of all was, as [MENTION=15886]jontherobot[/MENTION] said somewhere else, was creating the universe, because look at all of the bad junk in our world. This God is the spawn of evil! It is only logical then that he must be replaced, and to do so, we need to hack his creation, kind of like how a computer virus can destroy a computer (we are the viruses).

If it is not true it is very well invented.

I find it hard to understand why a god would have emotions or a lust for domination, so I can't answer that either haha.

I don't see how it's possible to "overthrow" a non-physical entity?

Surely a god would be an IT rather than a HE? Why would a god have a gender?

 

[Beorn]

Personally, I find the whole idea of morality - in the sense of "This is TRULY Right, or TRULY Wrong" - to be totally unfathomable. I just don't understand why most people can't SEE that.

Well, it's not wrong if they don't...

 

[Beorn]

Yes, but it arouses all the wrong associations. Instead of cleansing, I choose cleaning.

Please enlighten me as to what you see as the distinction.

 

[RaptorWizard]

I find it hard to understand why a god would have emotions or a lust for domination, so I can't answer that either haha.

If "it" feels nothing then it's experience of creation will not be joyous. Surely the Force has an ultimate purpose to realize, even if it uses evil means to achieve those ends. A life with no joy and no purpose to me is no life at all.

I don't see how it's possible to "overthrow" a non-physical entity?

This isn't based on political power structures; this is a question of which force of will has the power to control its own fate.

Surely a god would be an IT rather than a HE? Why would a god have a gender?

Yes, he could also also be called an it (notive how I used the term "it" earlier).

 

[RaptorWizard]

What if God neither loves nor hates? I think he should be in a state of neutrality. And what if God loves all the criminals too - who is to decide that they shouldn't be loved also; us, lowly humans?

If he doesn't love us he doesn't necessarily need to hate us, but I tend toward the position that he's somewhere between being neutral to us and hating us. I also think God should love everybody, but that doesn't mean he needs to give them the same rewards.

There are a couple of ways I visualize his existence: As the universe itself, as in a pantheistic view. Another is an "ethereal" (hate using that word) substance that underlies all of existence, that is neither a form of life nor an inanimate object; something above either that is beyond our comprehension.

I could see this, God being a quality manifested in creation, expressing his diverse attributes. He must have a lot of bad attributes though if this is completely the case.

With no bad there is no good.

It helps us to see the difference, and the bad can also refine us, so you may have a point there.

Morality exists conceptually, but it is very subjective; a Human survival trait. But you're correct, objectively speaking there is no good or evil. Only in our minds.

Yes, it's very much related to what you desire inside, what your life purpose and joy is, like I said a post earlier.

 

[En Gallop]

Well, it's not wrong if they don't...

It is wrong from a factual perspective - but maybe "incorrect" is a better word.