"In a certain light, wouldn't nuclear war be exciting?"

[Ginkgo]

Good-bye Gingko. Happy trolling.

 

[Kalach]

I don't want to discuss my type. I'm factually telling you, that what occurred within the thread, was Kalach saying certain traits of mine were due to Si, and I simply suggested that if he actually read Jung, it would be Se.

I don't always read Jung, but when I do I observe he described functions by placing them in hypothetical persons for whom the concerns of the given function dominated all others to the extent of taking exclusive control of all cognitive activity. In real life, in contrast to the pure Se of Jung's descriptions, ESFPS, for instance, and in my limited experience, make up all sorts of speculations. But yes indeed, they do get irritated if they're not allowed to do it for effect, and it does tend anyway to appear only in fragments at right moments. I think if you asked them to consider nuclear war, and you had the power to actually make them not mercurially bring discussion right back into the immediate moment, they'd imagine you were trying to kill them.

And Gingko does not seem to me to be INFJ.

 

[Thalassa]

I don't always read Jung, but when I do I observe he described functions by placing them in hypothetical persons for whom the concerns of the given function dominated all others to the extent of taking exclusive control of all cognitive activity. In real life, in contrast to the pure Se of Jung's descriptions, ESFPS, for instance, and in my limited experience, make up all sorts of speculations. But yes indeed, they do get irritated if they're not allowed to do it for effect, and it does tend anyway to appear only in fragments at right moments. I think if you asked them to consider nuclear war, and you had the power to actually make them not mercurially bring discussion right back into the immediate moment, they'd imagine you were trying to kill them.

And Gingko does not seem to me to be INFJ.

You guys are all trying to kill us. You must not have been listening to my entire tirade.

And yeah, I know, but I thought you might think so since he has such a positive attitude toward nuclear destruction.

 

[Thalassa]

I can't believe you guys think that all Se types only talk about what is immediately going on. You're not describing Se types, you're describing retarded people. Jesus, even borderline retarded people talk about their families and other things.

 

[Kalach]

Marm, why are you mimicking my "you people" style? I use "you people" (and usually not "guys" because that's friendly) to avoid directly targeting current interlocutors. It's a ham-fisted move, of course, but, at least in form, it speaks to altering external standards (as opposed to altering people, which is immoral). Instead of imagining that individual people are holding their own precious ideas, which I should respect, I frame the discussion in terms of some larger group of people that could, impersonally, benefit from reinventing their list of supposed truths. I "you people" over the individuals, like wallpapering over the cracks. It's not particularly subtle as a human outreach mechanism, but I'm not particularly familiar with swaying people indirectly, nor actually swaying them especially with logic. I'm interested to know, are you "you guys"-ing for the same reason? We might have to come up with different techniques.

 

[Thalassa]

Marm, why are you mimicking my "you people" style? I use "you people" (and usually not "guys" because that's friendly) to avoid targeting particular people. It's a ham-fisted move, of course, but, at least in form, it speaks to altering external standards (as opposed to altering people, which is immoral). Instead of imagining that individual people are holding their own precious ideas, which I should respect, I frame the discussion in terms of some larger group of people that could, impersonally, benefit from reinventing their list of supposed truths. I "you people" over the individuals, like wallpapering over the cracks. It's not particularly subtle as a human outreach mechanism, but I'm not particularly familiar with swaying people indirectly, nor actually swaying them especially with logic. I'm interested to know, are you "you guys"-ing for the same reason? We might have to come up with different techniques.

I'm not mimicking you, you narcissist. "You people" is pretty generic, I throw around a lot of obnoxious slang: bro, brah, broskini, son, you people, fuckwits... are you saying I'm using Te?

Fantastic. I'm using Te.

No, but seriously, it's a form of making a person impersonal, so that it's almost funny. I like it that way. Tongue-in-cheek yet severe.

 

[Kalach]

Fair enough. I just noticed you people starting to do it. Maybe some person identified a not wholly instantiated trend.

 

[Thalassa]

Possibly, son. Possibly.

 

[Thalassa]

Don't you hate when you burp and it burns the inside of your nose?

 

[Kalach]

In a certain light, it can be very exciting.

 

[Nicodemus]

The circle closes, the lights go out, you people leave.

The end.

 

[Coriolis]

You guys are all trying to kill us. You must not have been listening to my entire tirade.

If we were trying to kill anyone, they would be dead.

 

[Totenkindly]

Damn. If you guys keep engaging Marm in arguments, she's easily going to beat my post count by the end of 2013.

I hate you all.

 

[Such Irony]

Damn. If you guys keep engaging Marm in arguments, she's easily going to beat my post count by the end of 2013.

I hate you all.

Then you need to become a mod again so you can ban her.

Kidding!!!

 

[Totenkindly]

Then you need to become a mod again so you can ban her.

I like the way you think.

 

[Cellmold]

Getting chased by a murderous killer can be exciting. Doesn't make it fun or pleasurable.

 

[Lark]

Getting chased by a murderous killer can be exciting. Doesn't make it fun or pleasurable.

Yeah, I dont think that's anything but a hypothetical.

Exciting it wouldnt be, horrible or terrifying, yes, it could involve an adrenaline rush and some survival mechanisms, surely, although excitment involves enjoyment and there's no way you're enjoying stuff like that unless you've got serious risk taking behaviours issues.

Nothing about these hypotheticals seems like fun or anything like it, either there's been a lot of desensitisation going on, a lot of abstraction and theorising about remote possiblities or something.

Then again Orwell mused disappointedly about how people flocked to macabre wax works of atrocities from the great war in the period before the rise of Hitler and the second world war by which point he was writing essays criticising socialists and democrats failure to grasp the appeal of war mongering and Hitler, so the whole question isnt a new one.

 

[Cellmold]

Yeah, I dont think that's anything but a hypothetical.

Exciting it wouldnt be, horrible or terrifying, yes, it could involve an adrenaline rush and some survival mechanisms, surely, although excitment involves enjoyment and there's no way you're enjoying stuff like that unless you've got serious risk taking behaviours issues.

Nothing about these hypotheticals seems like fun or anything like it, either there's been a lot of desensitisation going on, a lot of abstraction and theorising about remote possiblities or something.

Then again Orwell mused disappointedly about how people flocked to macabre wax works of atrocities from the great war in the period before the rise of Hitler and the second world war by which point he was writing essays criticising socialists and democrats failure to grasp the appeal of war mongering and Hitler, so the whole question isnt a new one.

It would not be boring though, would it? Although I know i'm arguing semantics and it's true that just because something isn't boring that doesn't make it exciting, but I tend to see excitement as either a state of anticipation for something desired or enjoyed or a heightened state brought on by a rush of adrenaline.

The point is that what is considered enjoyable is up to the individual. Also enjoyment through excitement is just one emotion, in any given situation a person can be feeling a great mixture of emotions, including fear, anger, joy and any others you might think of. Very often a person doesn't know how they might react to something until it actually arises, as you said it's hypothetical.

I'm also not saying I, or many others for that matter, would find a nuclear war exciting, in fact such an event would be a cause of tragedy, but the OP's question is of course more about the state of mind someone might possess to answer yes to such a question in the first place. If we were to take the question at face value of course the answer is yes, there is no way it couldn't be as there is bound to be at least a single person somewhere who does find excitement in nuclear war and certainly so from the perspective of 'a certain light'.

 

[Lark]

It would not be boring though, would it? Although I know i'm arguing semantics and it's true that just because something isn't boring that doesn't make it exciting, but I tend to see excitement as either a state of anticipation for something desired or enjoyed or a heightened state brought on by a rush of adrenaline.

The point is that what is considered enjoyable is up to the individual. Also enjoyment through excitement is just one emotion, in any given situation a person can be feeling a great mixture of emotions, including fear, anger, joy and any others you might think of. Very often a person doesn't know how they might react to something until it actually arises, as you said it's hypothetical.

I'm also not saying I, or many others for that matter, would find a nuclear war exciting, in fact such an event would be a cause of tragedy, but the OP's question is of course more about the state of mind someone might possess to answer yes to such a question in the first place. If we were to take the question at face value of course the answer is yes, there is no way it couldn't be as there is bound to be at least a single person somewhere who does find excitement in nuclear war and certainly so from the perspective of 'a certain light'.

There's a great difference between being terrified or desperate to survive and excitement, its not just a matter of semantics, I do think its a matter of not properly understanding or applying those descriptive words.

 

[Cellmold]

There's a great difference between being terrified or desperate to survive and excitement, its not just a matter of semantics, I do think its a matter of not properly understanding or applying those descriptive words.

I think this is going to be a disagreement of understanding anyhow. Where did I say it was about being terrified or desperate to survive. I already pointed out that what someone experiences is individual to them.

Also on my point about adrenaline:

An adrenaline rush is the fight or flight response of the adrenal gland, in which it releases adrenaline (epinephrine). When releasing adrenaline, one's body releases dopamine and endorphin which can act as a natural pain killers. An adrenaline rush causes the muscles to perform respiration at an increased rate improving strength. It also works with the nervous system to interpret impulses that trigger selective glands.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrenaline_Rush

Now let us look up dopamine and endorphin.

Dopamine: Dopamine plays a major role in the brain system that is responsible for reward-driven learning. Every type of reward that has been studied increases the level of dopamine transmission in the brain, and a variety of addictive drugs, including stimulants such as cocaine, amphetamine, and methamphetamine, act directly on the dopamine system. Personality traits such as extraversion and reward seeking have been linked to higher sensitivity to rewarding stimuli of the mesolimbic dopamine system.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dopamine

Now Endorphin:

The term "endorphin rush" has been adopted in popular speech to refer to feelings of exhilaration brought on by pain, danger, or other forms of stress, supposedly due to the influence of endorphins. When a nerve impulse reaches the spinal cord, endorphins that prevent nerve cells from releasing more pain signals are released.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endorphin

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/exhilarating

exhilarating [ɪgˈzɪləˌreɪtɪŋ]
adj
causing strong feelings of excitement and happiness an exhilarating helicopter trip
exhilaratingly adv

ex·cite·ment
/ikˈsītmənt/
Noun
A feeling of great enthusiasm and eagerness.
Something that arouses such a feeling; an exciting incident.

So an individual can find such situations exciting, which is what I said. I never said they could not also find them frightening or mortifying.

I'm not saying you wrote this, by the way, but emotions don't come in blocks, they are multifaceted and people usually feel more than one or two at a time.