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Freedom is...
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Dont agree with either of those points to be truthful, keep that unbroken record up there Victor.
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I'm going with Janis Joplin here... "freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose"
when you've hit rock bottom and your life is a mess, the most peace of mind you'll receive is to get caught so that you can stop looking over your shoulder
anything you have, a love, a family, friends, possessions, a job... those are all chains in a way- things that must be cared for and maintained- when you lose almost everything THEN you are free to reinvent... arise from the ashes as it may be
when you've hit rock bottom and your life is a mess, the most peace of mind you'll receive is to get caught so that you can stop looking over your shoulder
anything you have, a love, a family, friends, possessions, a job... those are all chains in a way- things that must be cared for and maintained- when you lose almost everything THEN you are free to reinvent... arise from the ashes as it may be
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"Liberty is the soul's right to breathe, and, when it cannot take a long breath, laws are girdled
too tight."
- Henry Ward Beecher
"If you are not free to choose wrongly and irresponsibly, you are not free at all."
- Jacob Hornberger
"Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master."
- Sallust
"Can our form of government, our system of justice, survive if one can be denied a freedom
because he might abuse it?"
- Harlon Carter
"America needs fewer laws, not more prisons."
- James Bovard
"In America, freedom and justice have always come from the soap box, the ballot box, the jury
box, and when that fails, the cartridge box."
- Steve Symms, US Senator from Idaho, 1990
"The only purpose for which power can be rightfully exercised over any member of a civilized
community, against his will, is to prevent harm to others. His own good, either physical or
moral, is not a sufficient warrant."
- John Stuart Mill, "On Liberty", 1859
"None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license."
- John Milton
"The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or drinking; he can ruin
himself with gambling. If he does he is certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly be a
damned soul; but if he may not, he is not a free man any more than a dog."
- G.K. Chesterton
"There is a price tag on human liberty. That price is the willingness to assume the
responsibilities of being free men. Payment of this price is a personal matter with each of us."
- James Monroe
"A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves."
- Bertrand de Jouvenel
too tight."
- Henry Ward Beecher
"If you are not free to choose wrongly and irresponsibly, you are not free at all."
- Jacob Hornberger
"Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master."
- Sallust
"Can our form of government, our system of justice, survive if one can be denied a freedom
because he might abuse it?"
- Harlon Carter
"America needs fewer laws, not more prisons."
- James Bovard
"In America, freedom and justice have always come from the soap box, the ballot box, the jury
box, and when that fails, the cartridge box."
- Steve Symms, US Senator from Idaho, 1990
"The only purpose for which power can be rightfully exercised over any member of a civilized
community, against his will, is to prevent harm to others. His own good, either physical or
moral, is not a sufficient warrant."
- John Stuart Mill, "On Liberty", 1859
"None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license."
- John Milton
"The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or drinking; he can ruin
himself with gambling. If he does he is certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly be a
damned soul; but if he may not, he is not a free man any more than a dog."
- G.K. Chesterton
"There is a price tag on human liberty. That price is the willingness to assume the
responsibilities of being free men. Payment of this price is a personal matter with each of us."
- James Monroe
"A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves."
- Bertrand de Jouvenel
ygolo
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I suppose there is a sliding scale:
At a minimum, freedom is not being subjugated to a despot, despotic government or despotic master.
At a maximum, freedom is being able to do whatever I want whenever I want.
However, what happens when my own freedom would impinge on another's? I am not free to kill, to steal, to maim, and so on. I like these restrictions on my freedom, because they come from laws that apply to everyone in the land. I know that others cannot kill me, steal from me, or maim me without consequences under the law. Because of this I am more free to do as I please in other arenas.
At a minimum, freedom is not being subjugated to a despot, despotic government or despotic master.
At a maximum, freedom is being able to do whatever I want whenever I want.
However, what happens when my own freedom would impinge on another's? I am not free to kill, to steal, to maim, and so on. I like these restrictions on my freedom, because they come from laws that apply to everyone in the land. I know that others cannot kill me, steal from me, or maim me without consequences under the law. Because of this I am more free to do as I please in other arenas.
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